[Rhodes22-list] Politics: Term Limits

3drecon at comcast.net 3drecon at comcast.net
Mon Nov 6 14:09:14 EST 2006 

I don't mind that the lobbiests are helping craft legislation, they are the experts in the specific subject and ignorant politicians would be obtuse in their regulations.  I just want to know who is doing what and who is contributing to whom.  The campaign finance laws have become clear violations of the 1st Amendment to the Consititution and are so difficult to maneouvre through it is a crime waiting to happen (not unlike the tax laws crafted by the same people!).  

They could use some of that public service money to explain legislation, whose crafting it and what it will do.  Every penny a politician receives should be disclosed and the laws simplified.  McCain-Feingold is a travesty.

Philip


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From: "TN Rhodey" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> 

> Full disclosure would be nice. Lobbiest are running this country. More 
> changes are needed. 
> 
> Wally 
> 
> 
> >From: "Philip" <3drecon at comcast.net> 
> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list 
> >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" 
> >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics: Term Limits 
> >Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 13:22:20 -0500 
> > 
> >A. See my last paragraph. Repeal the XVII Amendment. 
> >B. There should be no post service perks for Congress and Senate. 
> >C. I don't think there should be campaign finance restrictions, but there 
> >should be FULL disclosure. 
> > 
> >Philip 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> >From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org 
> >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of TN Rhodey 
> >Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 10:19 AM 
> >To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org 
> >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics: Term Limits 
> > 
> >I can understand why people are for term limits I think they are a bad 
> >idea. 
> >Just take away (or reduce) all PAC money and appearance money for all 
> >politicians. Take a look at campaign contribution laws and make some 
> >changes. Why would you want to vote out a great politician just because his 
> >term limit was up? 
> > 
> >My local congressman is Rep. Jimmy Duncan. I vote for him every election 
> >and 
> >did so again this year. Duncan is one of the few Rep. to vote against the 
> >war with Iraq. I liked him before this mess but I like him even more now. 
> >It 
> >would be a shame if he was forced out. 
> > 
> >What I really hate is a fat cat who uses out of state money to buy his 
> >election. When I lived in NC Jesse Helms would take donations from out of 
> >state interests groups that had nothing to do with NC. He set records for 
> >spending that made it next to impossible for anyone to have a fair shot at 
> >winning. Helms never got my vote! We need to make it so an incumbent 
> >doesn't 
> >have such a huge financial advantage when campaiging. 
> > 
> >Wally 
> > 
> > 
> > >From: "Philip" <3drecon at comcast.net> 
> > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list 
> > >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" 
> > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics: Term Limits 
> > >Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 14:17:47 -0500 
> > > 
> > >That is why I don't like term limits but would like to see the post 
> >service 
> > >perks go away. That way they would stay only after they worked to secure 
> > >theirs and their families' futures. Then if they wanted to come to 
> >office, 
> > >they could. You wouldn't see so many "career" politicians. Also, 
> >remember 
> > >who the constituency of the Senate is. . . the STATE. The problem is, 
> >the 
> > >XVII Amendment made senators popularly elected (originally they were 
> > >elected 
> > >by the state legislature). Now they pander to the people, sometimes 
> > >against 
> > >the states' interests. They are no longer a sure check against excesses 
> >of 
> > >the Congress and we have the "rule by mob (majority)" the founders 
> >feared. 
> > >The XVII Amendment took a key piece out of our Republic. It should be 
> > >repealed. 
> > > 
> > >Philip 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message----- 
> > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org 
> > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros 
> > >Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 11:10 AM 
> > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list 
> > >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Politics: Term Limits 
> > > 
> > >I don't know what I think about Term Limits, either. Robert Byrd has 
> > >been an excellent Senator for West Virginia. He brought home the bacon 
> > >for his constituents. He also learned how to operate in that 
> > >environment over time. Would we get better legislation if everybody was 
> > >a newcomer? Or would the congressional staffs just shift from one 
> > >legislator to the next--with the real power residing in the hands of 
> > >staff doing things the elected person doesn't really understand? 
> > > 
> > >My brother is a Washington Lobbyist. Most legislation today is written 
> > >by lobbyists. I don't know how I feel about that, either. They know 
> > >far more about their individual issues than elected people trying to 
> > >master thousands of topics on very short notice. 
> > > 
> > >To the extent we underpay elected officials we insure that we will elect 
> > >only crooks and millionaires. Who else would take this job? 
> > > 
> > >Revolving door legislators who leave their jobs to join government, 
> > >write legislation that favors their previous employer, and then leave 
> > >government to rejoin their now enriched companies, doesn't seem like 
> > >such a great idea, either. 
> > > 
> > >Bill Effros 
> > > 
> > >Philip wrote: 
> > > > Rummy, 
> > > > The premise for all federal government intrusion into state 
> >affairs 
> > > > (like education) is the acceptance of the state of federal funds. If 
> > >you 
> > > > accept funding you have an obligation to obey. I don't think this was 
> > >ever 
> > > > in the founder's intent. 
> > > > 
> > > > Bill, 
> > > > Earlier you mentioned Term Limits. I don't like them. The 
> > >Founders 
> > > > debated it and decided the best way was for the people to have a 
> >choice. 
> > >I 
> > > > do believe that neither the Congress nor the Senate should have 
> >pensions 
> > >or 
> > > > post service medical benefits. All pay and benefits should end when 
> > >they 
> > > > leave. What do you get? Term limits! 
> > > > 
> > > > Philip 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -----Original Message----- 
> > > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org 
> > > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of 
> > > > R22RumRunner at aol.com 
> > > > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 7:47 AM 
> > > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org 
> > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] No child left behind. 
> > > > 
> > > > You are all going to love this little tid bit. 
> > > > 
> > > > _http://www.motherjones.com/news/outfront/2002/11/ma_153_01.html_ 
> > > > (http://www.motherjones.com/news/outfront/2002/11/ma_153_01.html) 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Rummy 
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