[Rhodes22-list] Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif/Let the games begin.
TN Rhodey
tnrhodey at hotmail.com
Mon Nov 13 07:51:40 EST 2006
Rik,
I agree. I wasn't blaming governement. Perhaps I should have made two posts.
Wally
>From: Rik Sandberg <sanderico at earthlink.net>
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>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif/Let the games
>begin.
>Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 09:21:35 -0600
>
>Hank and Wally,
>
>No, people buying homes on 100% credit and interest only loans (and ARMs
>and all the other gimicks) is purely and simply the fault of the people who
>were foolish enough to do it and no one else. Not Bush OR the banks
>
>When it comes back to haunt them I hope they will finally figure out that
>stupid is supposed to be painful. But, I can hear the whining coming
>already and I know there's some one out there that will want to bail them
>all out of their troubles, troubles that could have been avoided by paying
>attention in second grade math.
>
>I'm no economic rocket scientist, but I had no trouble seeing all this
>coming. What were they all thinking???
>
>Rik
>
>Hank wrote:
>>Wally,
>>
>>People buying homes on 100% credit and interest only loans is the fault of
>>the banking industry, not Bush. That's a bit of a stretch, don't you
>>think?
>>
>>Hank
>>
>>On 11/12/06, TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Brad,
>>>
>>>Do you really think Condi is hot?
>>>
>>>I don't expect much from the Dems but Bush deserves most of the blame for
>>>this mess. He did lead us into this mess and the buck stops with him. I
>>>do
>>>think any impeachment attempts would be a waste of time. We know now that
>>>many of the reasons given for attacking Iraq were not true. The people
>>>didn't welcome us, they were not close to obtaining nuke capability. We
>>>were
>>>also told it would take 6 months, we would not have long term presence
>>>and
>>>so on. Most of our politicians were scared to look weak on terror so they
>>>voted to support/fund the war.
>>>
>>>There are many economic indicators. Much of "middle class America" is
>>>living
>>>paycheck to paycheck. Savings are way down. Many people are buying homes
>>>they can't afford with 100% financing using interest only loans. These
>>>loans
>>>have balloon payments due down the road. Home foreclosures are way up.
>>>Credit card debt is huge. People drive nice cars but the bank owns them.
>>>The
>>>economy is doing ok because people are still buying. However we have
>>>troubled auto and airline industry and we can't make anything. I am not
>>>blaming any politician for this problem. Only pointing out that some
>>>numbers
>>>are doing well. We all know how fast stocks can drop. All these gains can
>>>be
>>>lost in a day. Debt will take years to pay off.
>>>
>>>Wally
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>
>>> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif/Let the games
>>> >begin.
>>> >Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 05:24:57 -0600
>>> >
>>> >David,
>>> >
>>> >I'll bite too!
>>> >
>>> >Since you know about management, you probably know about the company
>>>policy
>>> >of not getting hummers on company property, at least that's the policy
>>>at
>>> >my
>>> >employer (I had a co-worker get fired for enjoying himself too much in
>>> >first-class returning from Europe with a friendly companion). If it
>>>were
>>>a
>>> >ballot initiative, I'd vote for it, but alas, such is not the case.
>>>Clinton
>>> >got impeached for something that we'd all lie about. Except, he lied
>>>under
>>> >oath. He was elected to be chief executive and commander-in-chief, not
>>>to
>>> >increase his potential audience of young paramours. But I digress,
>>>we're
>>> >not
>>> >talking about Slick Willy. Impeaching Willy was a waste of time and
>>> >resources, fun, but not very productive. Of course there is talk of
>>> >payback! Politics is a contact sport!
>>> >
>>> >The more I think about it, the incoming Dems should investigate the
>>>hell
>>> >out
>>> >of everything. Start with pre-war intelligence. Most of these
>>>guys/gals
>>> >voted for the war so what happened? Did that dumbass academic
>>> >under-achiever Bush read the intelligence report to them or did they
>>>read
>>> >it
>>> >themselves? When Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Pelosi, et al, reached the same
>>> >conclusions years earlier based on 'intelligence', were they lying or
>>>was
>>> >Bush reading it to them at that time as well? By all means, lets
>>> >investigate!
>>> >
>>> >Bush did run off talent. He ran off Janet Reno because he didn't want
>>>his
>>> >ranch near Waco attacked. He ran off Madeleine Albright because
>>>foreign
>>> >leaders we're afraid to look at her and Condi is HOT! There were
>>>probably
>>> >some others.
>>> >
>>> >He weakened the balance sheet? Maybe yours brother, not mine. A
>>>12,000
>>> >DOW
>>> >has done wonders for my 401K.
>>> >
>>> >He did squander some alliances. We can't count on France to watch our
>>>back
>>> >anymore!
>>> >
>>> >By all means, let's investigate everything, starting with Katrina. As
>>>long
>>> >as everyone is pinned down in committee meetings and investigations,
>>>they
>>> >can't pass legislation to get in our pockets.
>>> >
>>> >Bring em' on!
>>> >
>>> >Brad
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >On 11/12/06, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>OK, Herb, I'll bite.
>>> >>
>>> >>You made a comment that an investigation of the Bush administration is
>>> >>political payback, vs. fixing the things that are wrong. I said I
>>>hoped
>>> >>they did, in fact, do a thorough investigation after years of
>>> >>mismanagement,
>>> >>and that the poliitcal/media rhetoric wouldn't get in the way. You
>>>seemed
>>> >>to think the term mismanagement is somehow a mischaracteriztion, and
>>>that
>>> >>the president has made decsions appropriately within the context of
>>>his
>>> >>political platform.
>>> >>
>>> >>When politicians talk, I think they are many steps removed from the
>>> >>reality
>>> >>of every situation they discuss as they try to simplify, spin, or
>>>twist
>>> >>what
>>> >>is almost always a complex situation. Then the media get ahold of it
>>>and
>>> >>it's even further removed from reality. That's why I think the
>>>rhetoric
>>> >>is
>>> >>dumb -- because it never does a fair job of explaining what's really
>>>going
>>> >>on. It gets in the way of the kind of reasoned debate that -- well --
>>> >>managers would be expected to undertake in running a business.
>>> >>
>>> >>I don't know much about politics, but I know a little bit about
>>> >>management.
>>> >>I think the president was elected and paid to be a chief executive and
>>> >>commander in chief. At least one of those jobs is about
>>>management. The
>>> >>list of bad management decisions he made seems pretty long, in my
>>>opinion
>>> >>(and it sounds like maybe yours too?). He dangerously weakened the
>>> >>balance
>>> >>sheet. He squandered alliances and resources. He drove away
>>>talent. He
>>> >>embarked on a war with no plan to succeed based on weak intelligence
>>>and
>>> >>emotional decisions. He put weak managers in place. He surrounded
>>> >>himself
>>> >>with people who think like him. He ran the place like a damn family
>>> >>business. None of that can be explained away by a political platform.
>>> >>
>>> >>I truly hope a change of course in Washington can put a spotlight on
>>>as
>>> >>much
>>> >>bad decision making as possible, to head off any more stacking of the
>>> >>deck,
>>> >>and to take advantage of a CYA window for a bilateral Congress to try
>>>to
>>> >>set
>>> >>some things right.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>Dave B
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>On 11/11/06, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > "dumb rhetoric" - would that be things like "6 years of
>>>mismanagement
>>> >> > (with two more to go).
>>> >> > I think the thing that galls me the most when I see things like
>>>that
>>>is
>>> >> > the fact that after 4 years, he not only got to keep his job, he
>>>got
>>>it
>>> >>by
>>> >> > more votes and a larger margin than the first time around.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Guys, the one you didn't want being in charge does NOT amount to
>>> >> > "mismanagement".
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The guy who won doing things the way he said he was going to,
>>>although
>>> >>it
>>> >> > may be unheard of in politics these days, is NOT mismanagement.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Herb Parsons
>>> >> >
>>> >> > S/V O'Jure
>>> >> > 1976 O'Day 25
>>> >> > Lake Grapevine, N TX
>>> >> >
>>> >> > S/V Reve de Papa
>>> >> > 1971 Coronado 35
>>> >> > Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
>>> >> >
>>> >> > >>> dwbrad at gmail.com 11/11/2006 12:30:14 pm >>>
>>> >> > Hmm. It seems to me that 6 years of mismanagement (with two more
>>>to
>>> >>go)
>>> >> > warrants an evaluation. I sure hope they start now in what is sure
>>>to
>>> >>be
>>> >> > a
>>> >> > long process of "unstacking the deck." It sure would be nice if
>>>they
>>> >> > could
>>> >> > keep the dumb rhetoric to a minimum while doing it, but that's
>>>probably
>>> >> > too
>>> >> > much to hope for, and to me not all that important.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Dave B.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On 11/11/06, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > That's his version of "bi-partisanship" and "returning civility
>>>to
>>> >>the
>>> >> > > Congress".
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > So, instead of working on "fixing all those wrongs" they say, the
>>> >>Dems
>>> >> > are
>>> >> > > going to concentrate on a little payback for Clinton.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Herb Parsons
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > S/V O'Jure
>>> >> > > 1976 O'Day 25
>>> >> > > Lake Grapevine, N TX
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > S/V Reve de Papa
>>> >> > > 1971 Coronado 35
>>> >> > > Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > >>> R22RumRunner at aol.com 11/10/2006 7:32:15 pm >>>
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > LOS ANGELES - The Democratic congressman who will investigate
>>>the
>>> >>Bush
>>> >> > > administration's running of the government says there are so
>>>many
>>> >>areas
>>> >> > > of
>>> >> > > possible wrongdoing, his biggest problem will be deciding which
>>>ones
>>> >>to
>>> >> > > pursue.
>>> >> > > There's the response to Hurricane Katrina, government
>>>contracting
>>>in
>>> >> > Iraq
>>> >> > > and on homeland security, political interference in regulatory
>>> >> > decisions
>>> >> > > by the
>>> >> > > Environmental Protection Agency and the Food and Drug
>>> >>Administration,
>>> >> > and
>>> >> > > allegations of war profiteering, Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif.,
>>>told
>>> >>the
>>> >> > > Los
>>> >> > > Angeles Chamber of Commerce.
>>> >> > > "I'm going to have an interesting time because the Government
>>>Reform
>>> >> > > Committee has jurisdiction over everything," Waxman said Friday,
>>> >>three
>>> >> > > days after
>>> >> > > his party's capture of Congress put him in line to chair the
>>>panel.
>>> >> > "The
>>> >> > > most
>>> >> > > difficult thing will be to pick and choose."
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>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > --
>>> >> > David Bradley
>>> >> > +1.206.225.7793
>>> >> > dwbrad at gmail.com
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>>> >>
>>> >>
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>>> >>+1.206.225.7793
>>> >>dwbrad at gmail.com
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