[Rhodes22-list] Politics: History Lessons

[Herb Parsons]

Bill, your history is off. Would you like citations about Lincoln's expectations of the war? I've done a LOT of study in this area.


Herb Parsons

S/V O'Jure
1976 O'Day 25
Lake Grapevine, N TX

S/V Reve de Papa
1971 Coronado 35
Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast 

>>> bill at effros.com 11/13/2006 12:24:04 pm >>>
Lincoln took 91% of the electoral vote in the 1864 Presidential 
election.  This was accomplished simply by not allowing the South to 
vote.  (Not a single vote was ever cast for Lincoln by anyone in most of 
the States whose citizens now refer to themselves as "The Party of 
Lincoln".)

Most Presidents regarded as "Bad" during their time of office, are still 
regarded as "Bad" today.

Many of the people sympathetic to the Southern States position still 
regard Lincoln as a "Bad" president.

The same can be said of FDR.

Lincoln did not start the war with the Southern states based on the 
assumption that it would only last for a few weeks--the South both 
seceded and fired first.  Lincoln fought to maintain the United 
States--this is the platform on which he was elected.  It was the 
anti-slavery liberal platform of the Northeastern and Western states.

In his time "Winning the War" meant holding the country together as far 
as Lincoln was concerned.

What does "Winning the War" mean in Iraq?

Bill Effros

Herb Parsons wrote:
> Absolutely, but that "history lesson" will likely not be seen by us.
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> Lincoln was not considered a great president, as a matter of fact, he was considered, in his time, a pretty BAD president. He was even deeply concerned that he would not be re-elected. The war was not popular (BTW, the thought the war would last a few weeks at best, he was wrong), nor was the way in which he was handling it. President Bush is downright soft on the way he handles criticism, compared to the way President Lincoln handled it in his day.
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> If we win this war, President Bush will likely be looked back on well. If not, he likely won't. However, his legacy is not really my worry. If we lose this war, it will only be because of leaving before we win. If we do that, you can bet our enemies will decide that we no longer have the stomach or will to win a war. 9/11 will seem like nothing compared to what will be headed our way.
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> Herb Parsons
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> S/V O'Jure
> 1976 O'Day 25
> Lake Grapevine, N TX
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> S/V Reve de Papa
> 1971 Coronado 35
> Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast 
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>>>> R22RumRunner at aol.com 11/11/2006 6:05:00 pm >>>
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> Herb,
> Time will tell, also known as history.
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> Rummy    :)
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