[Rhodes22-list] Thanksgiving sailing

[Charles Henthorn]

Wally:
       I agree with what you say about a furled 175 inside the shrouds.  The point of my earlier post was to learn if there was a way to have my cake and eat it too ---- rigged in advance to use genoa outside of outer shrouds on the runs but reduce its area and be prepared without re-rigging to have a 100%--130% inside the outside shrouds when beating.  
       Yes I have an extension and usually steer from the windward rail when beating --- I have found that, by using the leeward winch only as a block and running the jib sheet across the cockpit to the windward winch, I can control and adjust the genoa shape much better and efficiently while continuing to keep the proper weight distribution on the windward side of the boat.  When single-handing---I find the jib sheet stretched across the cockpit from winch to winch is not a problem.  
       Your vang suggestion intrigues me.  With the IMF and the poptop configuration, I'm curious where you attached the vang ends to the mast and boom without interfering with the use of the poptop.   Someone mentioned some modification of the standard traveler that might make it easier to handle.  I use it and find it cumbersome (at least single-handed) to either (1) maintain a steady helm, keep the weight on the windward side, and reach across the stern to release the traveler immediately after the change of course --- or (2)  ease the mainsheet and loosen the traveler (but losing the advantage of the traveler) before the tack so its free to adjust after the tack.   I've thought of mounting a block on the end of the traveler bar so the line could wrap around the end but be held by a cleat of some type on the opposite end but the traveler track---but it doesn't seem shaped nor configured to permit a practical implementation of that idea.     
Rex
   
  
TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
  Rex,

I race single handed as well. If you plan ahead rerouting jib sheets is not 
a big deal. I don't race with pop-top up. I can secure tiller and walk 
forward to make the change in a few seconds. I am not sure that you really 
want a 175 inside the shrouds unless conditions require furling anyway. In 
that case sheeting inside provides better angles and would be worth 
rerouting sheets. I would think furling the 175 just so you can sheet inside 
shrouds would actually slow you down overall. Also add a vang. Proper use of 
vang and traveler will help you sail flatter in windier conditions. The 
biggest thing I missed with crew was the added rail weight. Also do you have 
a tiller extension? Most times when racing solo I am sitting forward in the 
cockpit...sometimes on the bench seat and sometimes on the rail.

Wally


>From: Charles Henthorn 
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list 
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list 
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Thanksgiving sailing
>Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:54:51 -0800 (PST)
>
>Thanks Slim --- forgot to mention I typically single-hand when racing. 
>Good suggestion but probably would need to start using some crew if I were 
>to try re-rigging between course changes.
> Yes I agree that a slight back-wind of the genoa helps carry it 
>through to leeward -- if the sheets don't snag on the way.
> Rex
>
>
>Slim wrote:
> Rex,
>
>I wouldn't try the "double sheet" thing especially if you've been having
>trouble getting the big 175 to come across without snagging on something.
>When tacking, I've found that I have to hold the jib sheet until I've
>crossed through the eye and let the wind fill up the jib before I let 
>loose.
>That usually works unless it's really light air. Another solution is to
>simply roll up the jib and pull it back out after you're about. This can be
>done pretty fast with experienced crew. It's definitely faster than having
>a sheet hooked on the bow cleat and someone has to go forward. Also with a
>little practice you can re-rig the sheets quickly and easily. If you're on
>a starboard tack, re-rig the starboard (slack) sheet first. Then when you
>come about re-rig the other side. You might be sailing with your pop top
>down but if not, just FYI, a man of average height can reach the sheets 
>from
>inside the cabin rather than going forward topside.
>
>Hope this helps. Good luck.
>
>Slim
>
>On 11/28/06 3:20 PM, "Charles Henthorn" wrote:
>
> > Anne:
> > My Rhodes ( 88 recycled by Stan this past spring) is on Freeman Lake, 
>but
> > I crew for a friend on Eagle Creek many times during the season. I've 
>never
> > raced on Eagle Creek. They have a large J boat contingent at Eagle 
>Creek.
> > Thanks for the invite to crew. We're northwest of Indy and probably 3 
>hrs
> > from KyLake area but if I get a chance to be in your area I'll give you 
>an
> > email in advance.
> > I had had some suggestions to run the rigging to the track inside the
> > outside shrouds but, with our lake lying in a snake configuration and 
>our
> > distance courses being layed out around several points and tree lines, 
>our
> > winds (Murphy's Law is always in play) gust or change dramatically in
> > intensity (especially in the spring and fall), having the genoa running
> > rigging on the inside of the shrouds takes the 'outside' option away 
>when it
> > might be more effective if the winds are right. Has anyone tried
> > 'double-rigging' with sheets running both inside and outside the outside
> > shrouds? I think it could be done if you lighten up on the sheets so 
>you're
> > not dragging a lot of weight around but, even now, I'm finding it 
>difficult in
> > light winds to get that big 175 to flow over to the leeward side on a 
>tack or
> > gibe without the single set of sheets finding some cleat or port or 
>chainplate
> > connection on which to hang up or snag. Before I try it (next spring now 
>with
> > winter
> > upon us), maybe someone has tried and found it successful or a complete
> > failure.
> > Rex
> >
> > anima13 wrote:
> > Rex,
> > What lake are you on? Eagle Creek?
> > I have to admit I sold my Rhodes....but I cannot give up this list, 
>these
> > folks.
> > I went to a bigger boat. I have sailed all winter on my Rhodes. One year 
>we
> > sailed
> > every weekend to Jan 1st and then we were out on Feb 1st.
> > Racing....I have never raced my Rhodes, except for the KY Lake gathering 
>for
> > Rhodes
> > when we used to host a race here. Have to say, and I believe Rik 
>Sandberg
> > would concur,
> > I could really point that boat. You might try unfurling just less than 
>the
> > whole 175%,
> > like 160% or so.
> > However, you are not going to point like the Flying Scot, etc. Hence, 
>PHRF!
> > Wally races his R-22.
> > I race on a team...race a J-34 now. We have raced together for years. 
>Our
> > philosophy is to
> > point hard and make the shortest distance. We sheet that jib in tight as 
>a
> > drum and our
> > helmsgal (John's wife Lisa) NEVER takes her eyes off the windex or the
> > telltales. She is
> > not allowed to do ANYthing else. We usually tell her "up" or "off" so 
>she
> > does not have to look up
> > to windex. On our long distance races she gets to rest on the 
>downwind...if
> > we have enough staff.
> > We have a 100 mile race in the spring and a 50 miler in the fall. Lots 
>of
> > folks from Eagle Creek
> > come here for those. A few were here last weekend and they are some of 
>our
> > favorite friends.
> > Come down and crew with us next year! We are ALWAYS hunting crew. We 
>require
> > a minimum of 6
> > for spinnaker. We took 9 on the 100 miler last year and were not 
>crowded!
> > Too many jobs to do.
> > Anne
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Charles Henthorn
> > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 2:10 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Thanksgiving sailing
> >
> >
> > Ann:
> > Same here (mid-central western Indiana) --- great winds -- raced
> > Saturday --- but cried all night last night having tarped my boat 
>yesterday.
> > I would have guessed your season could extend more at Ky Lake than here.
> > Do you race your Rhodes. I'm finding I'm very competitive on the runs
> > but can't seem to get the 175% to point up enough on the reaches. Do you
> > race and, if so, have you found a way to point up higher than the 
>Santana's
> > and Flying Scots I try to race against?
> > Rex
> >
> >
> > anima13 wrote:
> >
> >
> > Man, did we have a BLOW-OUT weekend!!!!!
> > Sailed all day Friday and 4 boats rafted up overnight.
> > Played guitar, sang, ate and drank.
> > Our friends from Indy came down so that gave it much more of a
> > party-atmosphere. Sure were some gorgeous days on KY Lake.
> > That is the lastest we have rafted-up. Our last latest was Nov 1st.
> > Was cool in the night but the sun was very warm right away in the
> > morning.
> >
> > Hope y'all had as great a time as we did.
> >
> > Anne
> >
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