[Rhodes22-list] Hiking Sticks

[Bill Effros]

Wally,

I assume an auto-tiller is not permitted when racing?  How long is the 
hiking stick you use?  Have you see the hiking sticks with the pop-out 
feature so you can switch a longer one for a shorter one on the fly?

Bill Effros

TN Rhodey wrote:
> Rex,
>
> I know what you mean about the traveler. I had always wanted to change 
> the cleating angle but never got around to it. I did replace the 2 
> lines on the traveler with a single line that is long enough to reach 
> just about anywhere in cockpit. It still requires me to lean back to 
> cleat after making adjustments but I can sit on the high (or low) side 
> with traveler line on my lap. Easing traveler in the gusts works 
> better than easing main.
>
> A friend was day sailing with me one day and kept nagging me about not 
> having a vang. While we were sailing I "made" a vang with a single 
> line lashed around base of mast to boom, using truckers hitch to creat 
> purchase then cleating bitter end on mast. It was a big improvement. 
> Upwind I could flatten sail and off the wind I could adjust to keep 
> boom from rising up. After a while I converted the vang from my 
> Bantam. It is a little undersized but works fine. It quickly snaps 
> onto bale at mast bottom and fitting on boom. You can't use pop top 
> with traveler in place but if you are racing you will not have pop top 
> up.
>
> As to your cake.....just try reouting sheets while underway. It is not 
> that hard to do. Racing a R22 single handed keeps one quite busy. On 
> the upwind leg you can start out iside shrouds. One your last tack to 
> the mark reroute lazy sheet well in advance. I undo my figure eight 
> knot and pull (and coil) sheet back out of the block. One quick step 
> forward and I pass the coil outside and run back through block, tie 
> new figure eight and you are ready to go.  Trying to make changes near 
> the mark is not good. After you jibe get things in control then 
> reroute the other sheet. After last jibe on down wind run do it all 
> over again. I can secure my tiller for hand free sailing (briefly) and 
> sail this way quite often.
>
> I quit doing it but the first season I even flew my spinnaker in a 
> couple of races single handed. Talk about chaos! I would furl genny, 
> jump forward and hoist spinnaker as fast as I could. Go back to 
> cockpit and trim sails then cleat. Jump back forward and set pole. I 
> would only do this in very light winds. I didn't do well in these races.
>
> Fair Winds,
>
> Wally
>
>
>> From: Charles Henthorn <rexh at sbcglobal.net>
>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Thanksgiving sailing
>> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:50:00 -0800 (PST)
>>
>> Wally:
>>        I agree with what you say about a furled 175 inside the 
>> shrouds.  The point of my earlier post was to learn if there was a 
>> way to have my cake and eat it too ---- rigged in advance to use 
>> genoa outside of outer shrouds on the runs but reduce its area and be 
>> prepared without re-rigging to have a 100%--130% inside the outside 
>> shrouds when beating.
>>        Yes I have an extension and usually steer from the windward 
>> rail when beating --- I have found that, by using the leeward winch 
>> only as a block and running the jib sheet across the cockpit to the 
>> windward winch, I can control and adjust the genoa shape much better 
>> and efficiently while continuing to keep the proper weight 
>> distribution on the windward side of the boat.  When 
>> single-handing---I find the jib sheet stretched across the cockpit 
>> from winch to winch is not a problem.
>>        Your vang suggestion intrigues me.  With the IMF and the 
>> poptop configuration, I'm curious where you attached the vang ends to 
>> the mast and boom without interfering with the use of the poptop.   
>> Someone mentioned some modification of the standard traveler that 
>> might make it easier to handle.  I use it and find it cumbersome (at 
>> least single-handed) to either (1) maintain a steady helm, keep the 
>> weight on the windward side, and reach across the stern to release 
>> the traveler immediately after the change of course --- or (2)  ease 
>> the mainsheet and loosen the traveler (but losing the advantage of 
>> the traveler) before the tack so its free to adjust after the tack.   
>> I've thought of mounting a block on the end of the traveler bar so 
>> the line could wrap around the end but be held by a cleat of some 
>> type on the opposite end but the traveler track---but it doesn't seem 
>> shaped nor configured to permit a practical implementation of that idea.
>> Rex
>>
>>
>> TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>   Rex,
>>
>> I race single handed as well. If you plan ahead rerouting jib sheets 
>> is not
>> a big deal. I don't race with pop-top up. I can secure tiller and walk
>> forward to make the change in a few seconds. I am not sure that you 
>> really
>> want a 175 inside the shrouds unless conditions require furling 
>> anyway. In
>> that case sheeting inside provides better angles and would be worth
>> rerouting sheets. I would think furling the 175 just so you can sheet 
>> inside
>> shrouds would actually slow you down overall. Also add a vang. Proper 
>> use of
>> vang and traveler will help you sail flatter in windier conditions. The
>> biggest thing I missed with crew was the added rail weight. Also do 
>> you have
>> a tiller extension? Most times when racing solo I am sitting forward 
>> in the
>> cockpit...sometimes on the bench seat and sometimes on the rail.
>>
>> Wally
>>
>>
>> >From: Charles Henthorn
>> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Thanksgiving sailing
>> >Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:54:51 -0800 (PST)
>> >
>> >Thanks Slim --- forgot to mention I typically single-hand when racing.
>> >Good suggestion but probably would need to start using some crew if 
>> I were
>> >to try re-rigging between course changes.
>> > Yes I agree that a slight back-wind of the genoa helps carry it
>> >through to leeward -- if the sheets don't snag on the way.
>> > Rex
>> >
>> >
>> >Slim wrote:
>> > Rex,
>> >
>> >I wouldn't try the "double sheet" thing especially if you've been 
>> having
>> >trouble getting the big 175 to come across without snagging on 
>> something.
>> >When tacking, I've found that I have to hold the jib sheet until I've
>> >crossed through the eye and let the wind fill up the jib before I let
>> >loose.
>> >That usually works unless it's really light air. Another solution is to
>> >simply roll up the jib and pull it back out after you're about. This 
>> can be
>> >done pretty fast with experienced crew. It's definitely faster than 
>> having
>> >a sheet hooked on the bow cleat and someone has to go forward. Also 
>> with a
>> >little practice you can re-rig the sheets quickly and easily. If 
>> you're on
>> >a starboard tack, re-rig the starboard (slack) sheet first. Then 
>> when you
>> >come about re-rig the other side. You might be sailing with your pop 
>> top
>> >down but if not, just FYI, a man of average height can reach the sheets
>> >from
>> >inside the cabin rather than going forward topside.
>> >
>> >Hope this helps. Good luck.
>> >
>> >Slim
>> >
>> >On 11/28/06 3:20 PM, "Charles Henthorn" wrote:
>> >
>> > > Anne:
>> > > My Rhodes ( 88 recycled by Stan this past spring) is on Freeman 
>> Lake,
>> >but
>> > > I crew for a friend on Eagle Creek many times during the season. 
>> I've
>> >never
>> > > raced on Eagle Creek. They have a large J boat contingent at Eagle
>> >Creek.
>> > > Thanks for the invite to crew. We're northwest of Indy and 
>> probably 3
>> >hrs
>> > > from KyLake area but if I get a chance to be in your area I'll 
>> give you
>> >an
>> > > email in advance.
>> > > I had had some suggestions to run the rigging to the track inside 
>> the
>> > > outside shrouds but, with our lake lying in a snake configuration 
>> and
>> >our
>> > > distance courses being layed out around several points and tree 
>> lines,
>> >our
>> > > winds (Murphy's Law is always in play) gust or change 
>> dramatically in
>> > > intensity (especially in the spring and fall), having the genoa 
>> running
>> > > rigging on the inside of the shrouds takes the 'outside' option away
>> >when it
>> > > might be more effective if the winds are right. Has anyone tried
>> > > 'double-rigging' with sheets running both inside and outside the 
>> outside
>> > > shrouds? I think it could be done if you lighten up on the sheets so
>> >you're
>> > > not dragging a lot of weight around but, even now, I'm finding it
>> >difficult in
>> > > light winds to get that big 175 to flow over to the leeward side 
>> on a
>> >tack or
>> > > gibe without the single set of sheets finding some cleat or port or
>> >chainplate
>> > > connection on which to hang up or snag. Before I try it (next 
>> spring now
>> >with
>> > > winter
>> > > upon us), maybe someone has tried and found it successful or a 
>> complete
>> > > failure.
>> > > Rex
>> > >
>> > > anima13 wrote:
>> > > Rex,
>> > > What lake are you on? Eagle Creek?
>> > > I have to admit I sold my Rhodes....but I cannot give up this list,
>> >these
>> > > folks.
>> > > I went to a bigger boat. I have sailed all winter on my Rhodes. 
>> One year
>> >we
>> > > sailed
>> > > every weekend to Jan 1st and then we were out on Feb 1st.
>> > > Racing....I have never raced my Rhodes, except for the KY Lake 
>> gathering
>> >for
>> > > Rhodes
>> > > when we used to host a race here. Have to say, and I believe Rik
>> >Sandberg
>> > > would concur,
>> > > I could really point that boat. You might try unfurling just less 
>> than
>> >the
>> > > whole 175%,
>> > > like 160% or so.
>> > > However, you are not going to point like the Flying Scot, etc. 
>> Hence,
>> >PHRF!
>> > > Wally races his R-22.
>> > > I race on a team...race a J-34 now. We have raced together for 
>> years.
>> >Our
>> > > philosophy is to
>> > > point hard and make the shortest distance. We sheet that jib in 
>> tight as
>> >a
>> > > drum and our
>> > > helmsgal (John's wife Lisa) NEVER takes her eyes off the windex 
>> or the
>> > > telltales. She is
>> > > not allowed to do ANYthing else. We usually tell her "up" or 
>> "off" so
>> >she
>> > > does not have to look up
>> > > to windex. On our long distance races she gets to rest on the
>> >downwind...if
>> > > we have enough staff.
>> > > We have a 100 mile race in the spring and a 50 miler in the fall. 
>> Lots
>> >of
>> > > folks from Eagle Creek
>> > > come here for those. A few were here last weekend and they are 
>> some of
>> >our
>> > > favorite friends.
>> > > Come down and crew with us next year! We are ALWAYS hunting crew. We
>> >require
>> > > a minimum of 6
>> > > for spinnaker. We took 9 on the 100 miler last year and were not
>> >crowded!
>> > > Too many jobs to do.
>> > > Anne
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Charles 
>> Henthorn
>> > > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 2:10 PM
>> > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Thanksgiving sailing
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Ann:
>> > > Same here (mid-central western Indiana) --- great winds -- raced
>> > > Saturday --- but cried all night last night having tarped my boat
>> >yesterday.
>> > > I would have guessed your season could extend more at Ky Lake 
>> than here.
>> > > Do you race your Rhodes. I'm finding I'm very competitive on the 
>> runs
>> > > but can't seem to get the 175% to point up enough on the reaches. 
>> Do you
>> > > race and, if so, have you found a way to point up higher than the
>> >Santana's
>> > > and Flying Scots I try to race against?
>> > > Rex
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > anima13 wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Man, did we have a BLOW-OUT weekend!!!!!
>> > > Sailed all day Friday and 4 boats rafted up overnight.
>> > > Played guitar, sang, ate and drank.
>> > > Our friends from Indy came down so that gave it much more of a
>> > > party-atmosphere. Sure were some gorgeous days on KY Lake.
>> > > That is the lastest we have rafted-up. Our last latest was Nov 1st.
>> > > Was cool in the night but the sun was very warm right away in the
>> > > morning.
>> > >
>> > > Hope y'all had as great a time as we did.
>> > >
>> > > Anne
>> > >
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