[Rhodes22-list] Good News - Gas Prices Falling

[TN Rhodey]

The 2 door is lighter and 5 speed also helps. i run mine pretty hard and 
seldon use AC. With AC on a hot day I get about 35 around town.


>From: Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Good News - Gas Prices Falling
>Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 21:25:31 -0400
>
>Wally,
>
>I got an '06 Civic 4dr auto and I love it although I don't get the mileage
>you do.  I'm getting 27 in town and 35 on the road, but that could be due 
>to
>the large lead ingot I have instead of a right foot ;>).
>
>Hank
>
>On 10/9/06, TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hank,
>>
>>I love my 2005 Civic EX 2 door 5 speed. I get right at 38 MPG and I run it
>>prety hard. A great little car!
>>
>>Wally
>>
>>
>> >From: Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>
>> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Good News - Gas Prices Falling
>> >Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 10:56:57 -0400
>> >
>> >Bill,
>> >
>> >On the subject of hybrid cars, we recently bought a new car and we were
>> >looking at the Honda Civic, both standard and hybrid.  For us, the math
>> >just
>> >didn't work out and we ended up buying the standard version. I'll show
>>you
>> >what I mean.  FYI, both of the cause were comparable equipped with the
>>only
>> >real difference being the drivetrain.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Honda Civic
>> >
>> >MPG
>> >
>> >Gas Cost/Gal
>> >
>> >Annual Miles
>> >
>> >Gas/year (Mileage/MPG)
>> >
>> >Gas Cost/year
>> >
>> >Veh Cost
>> >
>> ># of years to break even
>> >
>> >Regular
>> >
>> >30
>> >
>> >2.5
>> >
>> >15000
>> >
>> >500
>> >
>> >1250
>> >
>> >18000
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Hybrid
>> >
>> >50
>> >
>> >2.5
>> >
>> >15000
>> >
>> >300
>> >
>> >750
>> >
>> >22000
>> >
>> >8
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >At a savings of $500 a year in gas, it would take 8 years for the hybrid
>>to
>> >break even with the normal engine version because of the increased
>>purchase
>> >price. To me, that is just not economically feasible.
>> >Hank
>> >
>> >On 10/9/06, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>Saroj,
>> >>
>> >>Just found this.  Be careful on geothermal.  My brother tried it and 
>>got
>> >>burned--no, that's a bad word word in this instance--he got frozen--it
>> >>sucked so much water out of the ground that there was none left for
>> >>cooking or bathing--not to mention that it got lukewarm very quickly.
>> >>
>> >>Bill Effros
>> >>
>> >>PS -- I've rented the straight diesel cars in Europe and they are
>> >>sensational.  You can't tell they are diesels any more except when you
>> >>keep passing gas pumps without needing any more fuel.  I am seriously
>> >>considering a hybrid Camry for myself.
>> >>
>> >>Saroj Gilbert wrote:
>> >> > I've heard the deisel - electric cars are available in Europe now..
>>so
>> >> > maybe not so far away.
>> >> >
>> >> > I am planning on geothermal which should certainly help with the
>> >> > cooling... as it turns out I have to dig a well on this property 
>>even
>> >> > though it is fairly Urban... a very old and small neighborhood where
>> >> > most have wells already so no impetus to provide city water.  which
>>is
>> >> > just fine with me. The well drilling company I plan to use already
>>has
>> >> > experience drilling the geothermal holes as well... so one-stop
>> >>shopping.
>> >> >
>> >> > Also already planning on the SIP approach... trying to blend the
>> >> > energy-efficiency with some interesting architecture aside from the
>> >> > typical Colonial or brick ranch that is common in this area.  
>>Thought
>> >> > seriously about doing a dome, but decided against it for this area
>>for
>> >> > asset-protection reasons.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks for the good info!
>> >> >
>> >> > Saroj
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Haslett" 
>><flybrad at gmail.com>
>> >> > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> > Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 1:01 PM
>> >> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Good News - Gas Prices Falling
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Bill & Saroj,
>> >> >
>> >> > Bill, the Jetta will work for me.  I've owned a couple of early 80's
>> >> > diesel
>> >> > Rabbits and a diesel Audi 4000 (same drive train) The Rabbit
>>hatchback
>> >>is
>> >> > coming back but I prefer a sedan.  I flew GDL, Mexico all last month
>> >> > where
>> >> > the Jetta is built.  They just settled their strike and hopefully 
>>the
>> >> > quality will be good.
>> >> >
>> >> > Saroj, diesel-hybrids are off the shelf technology and my company 
>>did
>>a
>> >> > joint-venture with Eaton to produce diesel-hybrid delivery trucks.
>> >>Duh!
>> >> > Think trains and WW2 submarines.  You should expect 80mpg+ when they
>> >>come
>> >> > but when will that be?  I'll move earlier and go with a straight
>> >> > diesel and
>> >> > hope for rapeseed biodiesel.  The only way to go with the home is
>> >> > insulated
>> >> > concrete forms and geo-thermal radiant heating.  Cooling is another
>> >> > issue.
>> >> > A nuke powerplant running A/C is the ticket.  You have no control
>> >> > where your
>> >> > electrons come from but they probably come from coal.
>> >> >
>> >> > Didn't we have this same discussion in the 70's?
>> >> >
>> >> > Brad
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 9/15/06, Saroj Gilbert <saroj at pathfind.net> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I hear you on that... as for me... I'm looking to diesel hybrid for
>>my
>> >> >> next
>> >> >> car... and currently doing intensive research on how to make my new
>> >> >> house
>> >> >> (yet to be built) use as little non-renewable energy as possible...
>> >> >> quite
>> >> >> an
>> >> >> interesting exploration for me... refreshing information that I
>>hadn't
>> >> >> read
>> >> >> too much about since I subscribed to Mother Earth News in the
>> >> >> 70's.  Heating
>> >> >> shouldn't be a problem but dealing with the hot, humid summers will
>>be
>> >> >> challenging.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Its hard to balance the economics on electricity usage in this area
>> >> >> (S.E.
>> >> >> VA) since it is so very low... 6 cents a KW if I remember 
>>correctly;
>> >> >> however
>> >> >> I feel strongly about it and will do whatever I can... luckily I
>>work
>> >> >> out
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> my home and the new house will be so close to a lot of services 
>>that
>>I
>> >> >> should be able to ride the bike a lot of places.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Saroj
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>
>> >> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> >> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 11:54 AM
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Good News - Gas Prices Falling
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Saroj,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Maybe, I don't agree with all the premises of the article but
>> >>everything
>> >> >> does line up for a fall, just not as far as the author
>>suggested.  The
>> >> >> unfortunate repercussion is that it will encourage us to go back to
>> >>our
>> >> >> foolish ways.  Peak Oil is coming!  The folks who have the most oil
>> >>are
>> >> >> still the same folks who hate us the most.  The two fastest growing
>> >>oil
>> >> >> consuming nations, China and India, aren't slowing down. China
>>doesn't
>> >> >> give
>> >> >> a shit about anything but China, and they're cutting deals
>>everywhere
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> every commodity.  I can't make my jet or our equipment burn less
>> >> >> fuel, but
>> >> >> my next car *will *get 50mpg+.  Hopefully it won't smell like
>>shrimp.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Brad
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 9/15/06, Saroj Gilbert <saroj at pathfind.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > That would be good news...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> > From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>
>> >> >> > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> >> > Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 9:23 AM
>> >> >> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Good News - Gas Prices Falling
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > <http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/home/>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Thursday, September 14, 2006 - 12:00 AM
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > *.*
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > **
>> >> >> > *
>> >> >> > **Analyst predicts plunge in gas prices*
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > *By Kevin G. Hall*
>> >> >> > *McClatchy Newspapers*
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > WASHINGTON — The recent sharp drop in the global price of crude
>>oil
>> >> >> could
>> >> >> > mark the start of a massive sell-off that returns gasoline prices
>>to
>> >> >> lows
>> >> >> > not seen since the late 1990s — perhaps as low as $1.15 a gallon.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "All the hurricane flags are flying" in oil markets, said Philip
>> >> >> Verleger,
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > noted energy consultant who was a lone voice several years ago in
>> >> >> warning
>> >> >> > that oil prices would soar. Now, he says, they appear to be 
>>poised
>> >> >> for a
>> >> >> > dramatic plunge.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Crude-oil prices have fallen about $14, or roughly 17 percent,
>>from
>> >> >> their
>> >> >> > July 14 peak of $78.40. After falling seven straight days, they
>>rose
>> >> >> > slightly Wednesday in trading on the New York Mercantile 
>>Exchange,
>> >>to
>> >> >> > $63.97, partly in reaction to a government report showing fuel
>> >> >> inventories
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > bit lower than expected. But the overall price drop is expected 
>>to
>> >> >> > continue,
>> >> >> > and prices could fall much more in the weeks and months ahead.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Here's why:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > For most of the past two years, oil prices have risen because the
>> >> >> world's
>> >> >> > oil producers have struggled to keep pace with growing demand,
>> >> >> > particularly
>> >> >> > from China and India. Spare oil-production capacity grew so tight
>> >>that
>> >> >> > market players feared that any disruption to oil production could
>> >> >> create
>> >> >> > shortages.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Fear of disruption focused on fighting in Nigeria, escalating
>> >>tensions
>> >> >> > over
>> >> >> > Iran's nuclear program, violence between Israel and Lebanon that
>> >>might
>> >> >> > spread to oil-producing neighbors, and the prospect that
>>hurricanes
>> >> >> might
>> >> >> > topple oil facilities in the Gulf of Mexico.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Oil traders bet that such worrisome developments would drive up
>>the
>> >> >> future
>> >> >> > price of oil. Oil is traded in contracts for future delivery, and
>> >> >> > companies
>> >> >> > that take physical delivery of oil are just a small part of total
>> >> >> trading.
>> >> >> > Large pension and commodities funds are the big traders and
>>they're
>> >> >> > seeking
>> >> >> > profits. They've sunk $105 billion or more into oil futures in
>> >>recent
>> >> >> > years,
>> >> >> > according to Verleger. Their bets that oil prices would rise in
>>the
>> >> >> future
>> >> >> > bid up the price of oil.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > That, in turn, led users of oil to create stockpiles as cushions
>> >> >> against
>> >> >> > supply disruptions and even higher future prices. Now inventories
>> >> >> of oil
>> >> >> > are
>> >> >> > approaching 1990 levels.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > But many of the conditions that drove investors to bid up oil
>> >> >> prices are
>> >> >> > ebbing. Tensions over Israel, Lebanon and Nigeria are easing. The
>> >> >> > hurricane
>> >> >> > season has presented no threat so far to the Gulf of Mexico. The
>> >>U.S.
>> >> >> peak
>> >> >> > summer driving season is over, so gasoline demand is falling.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > With fear of supply disruptions ebbing, oil prices began sliding.
>> >>With
>> >> >> oil
>> >> >> > inventories high, refiners that turn oil into gasoline are
>>expected
>> >>to
>> >> >> cut
>> >> >> > production. As refiners cut production, oil companies 
>>increasingly
>> >> >> risk
>> >> >> > getting stuck with excess oil supplies. There's already anecdotal
>> >> >> evidence
>> >> >> > of oil companies chartering tankers to store excess oil.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > All this is turning financial markets increasingly bearish on 
>>oil.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "If we continue to build inventories, and if we have a warm 
>>winter
>> >> >> like
>> >> >> we
>> >> >> > had last winter, you could see a large fall in the price of oil,"
>> >>said
>> >> >> > Gary
>> >> >> > Pokoik, who manages Hedge Ventures Energy in Los Angeles, an
>>energy
>> >> >> hedge
>> >> >> > fund. "I think there is still a lot of risk in the market."
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > As it stands now, the recent oil-price slump has brought the
>> >>national
>> >> >> > average for a gallon of unleaded gasoline down to $2.59, 
>>according
>> >>to
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> > AAA motor club. In the Seattle area, prices per gallon have 
>>fallen
>> >>to
>> >> >> > $2.856
>> >> >> > currently from $3.071 a month ago, a decline of 7 percent,
>> >> >> according to
>> >> >> > AAA.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Should oil traders fear that this downward price spiral will get
>> >>worse
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> > run for the exits by selling off their futures contracts, 
>>Verleger
>> >> >> said,
>> >> >> > it's not unthinkable that oil prices could return to $15 or less 
>>a
>> >> >> barrel,
>> >> >> > at least temporarily. That could mean gasoline prices as low as
>> >>$1.15
>> >> >> per
>> >> >> > gallon.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Other experts won't guess at a floor price, but they agree that a
>> >>race
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> > the bottom could break out.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "The market may test levels here that are too low to be
>>sustained,"
>> >> >> said
>> >> >> > Clay Seigle, an analyst at Cambridge Energy Research Associates, 
>>a
>> >> >> > consultancy in Boston.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Monday, the oil-producing cartel OPEC hinted that if prices
>>fall
>> >> >> > precipitously, OPEC members would cut production to lift them. 
>>But
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> > would take time.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "That takes six to nine months. If we don't have a really cold
>> >>winter
>> >> >> here
>> >> >> > [creating a demand for oil], prices will fall. Literally, you
>>don't
>> >> >> know
>> >> >> > where the floor is," Verleger said. "In a market like this, if
>> >>things
>> >> >> > start
>> >> >> > falling ... prices could take you back to the 1999 levels. It has
>> >> >> nothing
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > do with production."
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > <http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/news/general/copyright.html>
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