[Rhodes22-list] Political - Cleaning up your own back yard.

[Brad Haslett]

Bill,

It is time to go to work.  I'll leave you in charge to solve this problem.

Here are some flaws in your theory.  The reason blue-eyed grey-haired
grandmothers get frisked at the airport is because blue-eyed, grey haired
Chechnyians blew up a Russian airplane.  I'd say we're pretty fair in our
risk assessments.  Everyone gets hassled.  Trust me on this one.  Show up at
the airport looking like Bill O'reilly (five years younger but I do) wearing
a pilot's uniform and you get run through the gauntlet.  Selma was a long
time ago - the theory that we're treating them wrong because they don't look
like us doesn't play anymore. You are confusing 7-11 jokes with 9/11
reality!

We don't negotiate with the terrorists anymore?  GOOD!  Whoever established
that policy deserves my vote!

Brad


On 10/26/06, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>
> Hank,
>
> With regard to appearances, Muslims appear to have darker skin, and that
> is what we tend to profile.
>
> The Indonesian Muslims don't get targeted, profiled, or routinely
> referred to as terrorists.
>
> After Timothy McVeigh blew up a building in Oklahoma we didn't target
> light skinned Christian Republican Veterans.  We just said he was a nut
> who was also a member of all of those groups.  Remember, he did it to
> avenge Waco -- another Christian wacko.  Still, no profiling.
>
> When the Olympic Park Bomber turned out to be another light skinned
> Christian Republican Veteran -- no profiling.  No suggestion that any of
> these groups was failing to clean up its own back yard.  Hell, they were
> feeding him in their own back yards and helping him to hide from the
> FBI--which he managed to do for 5 years!
>
> The United States currently has a policy of not talking to its enemies.
> The only way they think they can get our attention is by exploding
> bombs, both conventional and nuclear.  This has worked, and has provided
> the basis for opening discussions with us, time and again.
>
> We always say we won't negotiate with terrorists, but we always do.
>
> Bill Effros
>
>
>
> Hank wrote:
> > Bill,
> >
> > I don't disagree with your comments on India, Pakistan and Indonesia.  I
> > guess my point or question concerns appearances.  In Europe and the
> > US, many
> > now hold an rational or irrational fear of Muslims.  They are targeted
> > and
> > profiled and routinely referred to as terrorists.  If I was an
> upstanding
> > member of the Muslim community, I would be doing whatever I could to
> > promote
> > the fact that I nor my kind were NOT terrorists.  This is what I have
> not
> > seen from the Muslim community.
> >
> > Hank
> >
> > On 10/26/06, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hank,
> >>
> >> The worldwide Muslim community has been doing more to control its
> >> extremists than the worldwide Christian community ever did to control
> >> its own extremists.
> >>
> >> There are nutbars in every community.
> >>
> >> You can't blame the community for the acts of the nutbars.
> >>
> >> The largest Muslim nation in the world is Indonesia.  There are more
> >> Muslims in Indonesia than in the entire Middle East.
> >>
> >> India is the second largest.  They have been with us in fighting Muslim
> >> extremists.
> >>
> >> The third largest Muslim nation is Pakistan.  They have captured a
> large
> >> number of Muslim extremists and done with them whatever we asked.
> >>
> >> Taken together, there are more Muslims in Indonesia, India and Pakistan
> >> than there are Christians in the United States and Western Europe.
> >>
> >> They don't want us to support them. They just don't want us to attack
> >> them.
> >>
> >> 19 guys attacked us, and those 19 guys won't be able to do it again any
> >> time soon.
> >>
> >> The mess we have created in Iraq has nothing to do with Muslim
> >> extremists attacking us.
> >>
> >> We can't even control a country with 25 million Muslims.  Let's not
> >> start thinking about taking on the other billion and a half.
> >>
> >> Bill Effros
> >>
> >> Hank wrote:
> >> > I am curious about something and maybe some of you have an opinion or
> >> > know
> >> > the answer.
> >> >
> >> > I believe I have read in various news reports that the majority of
> the
> >> > Muslim community does not support or condone the terrorist actions of
> >> the
> >> > Islamic extremists and feel they are being persecuted by the west
> over
> >> > this
> >> > issue.  What I have not seen or heard is any significant movement
> >> by by
> >> > Muslim community to stop or control these terrorists.  It seems
> >> > reasonable
> >> > to me, that if they want us to support them, then they should be
> doing
> >> > something in this regard.  I am talking about the world wide Muslim
> >> > community, not just the middle easterners.
> >> >
> >> > Any opinions?
> >> >
> >> > Hank
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