[Rhodes22-list] anchor off the stern (LIS)

[Ronald Lipton]

No, they spend their time kvetching.

Ron
On Oct 30, 2006, at 8:24 PM, Hank wrote:

> Sooooo...
>
> They do a lit of kibbitzing on the kibbutz?
>
> Hank
>
> On 10/30/06, Ronald Lipton <rlipton at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hank,
>>
>>     Since we have been discussing grammer and usage; it's kibbitz,
>> kibbutz
>> is an Israeli collective community. (Should I have used a semicolon?
>> is the comma correct?  Perhaps I should have used a dash.)
>>
>> Ron
>> On Oct 30, 2006, at 7:12 PM, Hank wrote:
>>
>> > Hey Mike,
>> >
>> > Not trying to kibbutz, but don't you have the bit about anchor  
>> scope
>> > backwards?  Usually, you want somewhere around a 7:1 scope, that
>> > is, 7 ft of
>> > anchor line for each foot of depth.  Therefore, the deeper the
>> > water, the
>> > more line needed.
>> >
>> > Hank
>> >
>> > On 10/30/06, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Joe,
>> >>
>> >> We sail out of Kings Park, NY.  Depending on the wind, the  
>> crew, the
>> >> Admiral, etc. We sail on the "North Shore" somewhere from Port
>> >> Washington
>> >> to
>> >> Mount Sinai, usually.  There is much to do and see in the areas
>> >> along Long
>> >> Island and the wind is usually pretty good, although it is
>> >> stronger on the
>> >> South Shore.  The benefit of sailing the LIS is that it is less
>> >> than 20
>> >> miles to CT, a good destination for both daysails and overnights
>> >> (try the
>> >> Thimble Islands near Norwalk, CT).
>> >>
>> >> I am sorry that you spent a night at the dock.  Unless the wave
>> >> action is
>> >> less than 1 foot (no wind either) the boat will move against the
>> >> dock and
>> >> lines all night.  Remember, the tide difference on the north side
>> >> of LI
>> >> are
>> >> 7-8 feet!  This does not make for a restful night.  At least  
>> the wind
>> >> would
>> >> have kept the bugs away.
>> >>
>> >> When we are at our mooring at the Nissequogue River, we are quite
>> >> firmly
>> >> attached to a single 200 lb mushroom anchor, although we do use
>> >> dual bow
>> >> pennants for safety.  This permits us to point into the wind  
>> (and the
>> >> current.)  When mooring in the vicinity of other craft, it is
>> >> particularly
>> >> important to observe the anchor systems in use so that your  
>> boat will
>> >> respond to changes in wind and current in a similar manner to  
>> avoid
>> >> bumping
>> >> and damage.  Do not anchor too close to dissimilar boats since
>> >> some sail
>> >> and
>> >> motor crafts respond to changes in wind and current direction at
>> >> different
>> >> rates.  This was a difficult lesson for a previous harbormaster
>> >> who tried
>> >> to
>> >> locate moorings too close together.
>> >>
>> >> When away from our mooring, we use a stern anchor in conjunction
>> >> with the
>> >> bow anchor to limit movement.  Sometimes this is necessary when
>> >> anchored
>> >> in
>> >> close quarters with other craft such as off a beach when
>> >> swimming.  Since
>> >> the water is shallow, one must let out quite a bit of line to
>> >> maintain
>> >> rules
>> >> of scope.  If a single anchor was used, the resulting movement
>> >> could be
>> >> dangerous.
>> >>
>> >> The other times that I employ two anchors is to maintain the
>> >> position of
>> >> the
>> >> boat with respect to waves and wind.  One of our favorite beaches
>> >> has a
>> >> jetty and sandbar configuration that results in strong wave action
>> >> that
>> >> may
>> >> not correspond to the wind.  In order to keep the boat pointed
>> >> into the
>> >> waves and not necessarily the wind, I use a stern anchor.  This
>> >> makes it
>> >> much easier to discharge and reboard passengers using the swim
>> >> ladder,
>> >> minimizing injuries since the boat is not pitching and rolling.
>> >>
>> >> Mike
>> >> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>> >>
>> >> From: "Joseph Hadzima" <josef508 at yahoo.com>
>> >> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 3:09 PM
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> thanks for the update Mike:
>> >>
>> >> And which parts of LIS do you sail?
>> >>
>> >> We did a little trip this Summer (Noank CT to Newport RI
>> >> with quick swing by Orient Pt NY).  We did a bearboat
>> >> charter of an O'Day 28.
>> >>
>> >> We used only a single anchor, or rented a mooring.  First
>> >> night tied to the dock (owner set us up) & I thought we
>> >> were gonna split the hull (not literally - but didn't like
>> >> it)!  Deployed all the fenders and a cushion on the dock
>> >> side, and was up all night checking for damage.  Strong
>> >> winds and current pushing us into the dock all night.
>> >>
>> >> Same conditions another night (plus rain), but at the
>> >> mooring, and we had a very nice rest.  Head to wind all
>> >> night, checked several times and noticed we did swing a
>> >> bit, but then so did everyone else at the other moorings.
>> >>
>> >> I'd be concerned that two anchors would mess with the
>> >> natural order of the boat to point to windward, and
>> >> increase the probability to drag an anchor, or just have
>> >> the boat rock side to side.  I guess you're saying that
>> >> this isn't the case with you?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> joe/hadz.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --- "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Bill E, Art, Hadz, et al,
>> >> >
>> >> > We carry both a bow and a stern anchor.  In LIS, it is
>> >> > necessary to use a
>> >> > bow/stern anchor technique (or a forked anchor) to limit
>> >> > movement due to the
>> >> > number and proximity of other craft.  I also favor a b/s
>> >> > form to minimize
>> >> > the effect of the wind and wave action on those staying
>> >> > aboard.
>> >> >
>> >> > Although I favor setting the bow anchor initially, we
>> >> > sail in a fairly
>> >> > congested region of the world, and it has been very nice
>> >> > to be able to
>> >> > deploy the stern anchor alone and quickly while working
>> >> > to quickly furl and
>> >> > drop sails in an emergency situation.
>> >> >
>> >> > I maintain two fluke anchors, one on the bow pulpit and
>> >> > the second bungeed
>> >> > to the stern rail.  The bow anchor is cleated to the
>> >> > forward mooring cleats
>> >> > on the deck.  This requires crew on deck to deploy and
>> >> > recover.  The bow
>> >> > anchor line is stored in the forward locker without
>> >> > problem or tangling -
>> >> > storage requires careful technique.  The stern anchor
>> >> > line is cleated to one
>> >> > of the side mooring cleats accessible from the cockpit.
>> >> > The stern line is
>> >> > in a spackle bucket in the laz, also carefully stored for
>> >> > tangle-free
>> >> > deployment.  I have always been taught to take the time
>> >> > to properly store
>> >> > any line since it may need to be deployed in a hurry.
>> >> >
>> >> > Mike
>> >> > s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>> >> >
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