[Rhodes22-list] RE: rudder overhaul
Todd Tavares
sprocket80 at mail.com
Mon Sep 11 00:53:46 EDT 2006
Lou,
I am a bit confused by your post and pic. It appears that you are
putting the threaded plate between the aluminum plate and the rudder
blade? By looking at your pic, the 5/16" bolt will be the aft most bolt
on the lower pintle. Won't this bolt hit the rudder blade interfere with
the movement of the blade?
IIRC the aft most bolt for the lower pintle is actually two flat heads
that are countersunk into the aluminum plate and face outward........only
clamping the pintle tang to the plate.
See attached drawing,
Todd T.
----- Original Message -----
From: steadilsr at verizon.net
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] RE: rudder overhaul
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:20:16 -0500 (CDT)
Rhodies
saw my name mentioned as a proj boat enthusiast.
yeah I love the smell of acetone on my raw skin.
Had to overhaul my entire rudder assembly too.
Just in case no one has had to do this I recommend:
taking out the pintles with care, use WD40 or whatever works to
remove the corrosion btw ss pintle and aluminum plate. strip off
corrosion with 3M paint stripper, epoxy the hell out of your SKEG
and then barrier coat what is left of it. Fill any unused holes
(some guy thought it was a piece of cheese on my boat)
I added 2 ss strips (1"x4" x 1/16") with 5/16 tapped threads to add
more grip for the lower outboard pintl e fasteners. In effect
taking the bolt up to a 5/16 and adding a back plate which will
have plenty of room btw the skeg and the inside of the alum plate.
see attached photo.
Next time around I will replace the alum plates with
titanium :)
sail free and keep the wind in your sails
peace
Lou
> From: Rory Orkin
> Date: 2006/09/09 Sat AM 07:20:41 CDT
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RE: Reply to Rory on Rhodes 22 for sale.
>
> No argument from me. But I think you are missing my point a little
bit.. This
> PARTICLAR boat is a bit unique.. It can not be inspected, it is a
throw
> away, and for some reason , it was not paid for. The inspection
> process is a bunch
> of pictures on the internet.. No one to talk to or get even the
most
> rudamentary history. Even for a project boat there may be
surprises. Of
> course at the price all that is at risk is not much money and some
time and
> expense in hauling. Having bought and sold a lot of used equipment
and
> machinery one learns that without inspection, that "great deal" can
actually
> be scrap. Since this price is a scrap price (probably the value of
> salvagable parts) then the proper buyer should by all means have at
it.. But
> be prepared for the possibility of it turning out to be "you get
what you
> pay for" . A $1,000 boat that can be inspected may be a far better
deal
> than one that is $500
> PS to Ed-- I knew it was a project boat.. and that used boats are
available
> ready to sail.
>
>
>
> Jim Connolly wrote:
>>
>> My first sailboat was a '69 O'Day Mariner 2+2. Rhodes 19 hull with
a less
>> rudimentary cabin that theoretically could sleep 4, wash basin
molded in
>> under the v-berth, no kitchen. It still had the original porta
potty
>> (made
>> of steel! And yet somehow it still stunk). It had sat on the hard
for at
>> least three years. The cabin hatch went missing at some point, and
some
>> bright light covered the 1' square hole with a trash bag. That
worked
>> fine,
>> until it rained.
>>
>> I have no idea how high the water level reached inside the hull,
but the
>> same or similar bright fellow apparently decided to drain the
cabin by
>> drilling a 5/8" hole in the bottom of the hull forward of the
centerboard
>> trunk. Hopefully he did it from underneath with a corded drill.
That
>> would
>> have taught him (or his heirs) a valuable lesson.
>>
>> I trashed the mildewed cabin cushions (orange vinyl) rusted steel
porta
>> potty, etc. basically leaving a hollow fiberglass cave inside the
cabin. I
>> cleaned the hell out of it with gallons of bleach, mildew killer
paint,
>> etc.
>> For the (reasonable) price of this project boat, I got a new main
and a
>> recycled R-19 racing jib, replaced standing and running rigging,
and fixed
>> the hole in the hull, and I was good to go. I wasn't interested in
the
>> cabin, and in three years, never went back and did anything else
in there.
>> I did do other upgrades on hardware and other exterior cosmetics
that I
>> cared about.
>>
>> My advice, evaluate your skills and a realistic estimate of repair
time.
>> Others (including Ed K) have pointed out that if you don't need
Stan's
>> high-end cabin, you need no re-create it. You might be able to
sail
>> happily
>> with little down there. The bulkhead for the mast support may be
the only
>> critical structural member in there. Jim Connolly
>> s/v Inisheer
>> '85 Recycled '03
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Tootle
>> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 7:38 PM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Reply to Rory on Rhodes 22 for sale.
>>
>>
>> Rory:
>>
>> There are used boats sold ready to sail, see Rummy's post and
there
>> are
>> eBay or other used Rhodes. At $500 to $600 you assume you are
getting
>> what
>> we call a project boat. Just looking at the boat I agree with Mike
that
>> it
>> is more than a parts boat. As to cleaning and rebuilding interior.
On a
>> Rhodes that is not that difficult to set up a very basic interior.
Such
>> an
>> interior would not be equivalent to Stan's recycle, but for
somebody on a
>> small budget it is a way to get a sailboat and get on the water.
>> It would take time and work. That is what a project
>> boat is. It
>> is
>> not really meant to take sailing with the family tomorrow. Expect
to pay
>> 10
>> to 20 times the price for one ready to sail. And a really clean
and good
>> one is over $20,000. Again, it would be an inexpensive
>> way to get a Rhodes 22, but it
>> would also take work. As far as I have seen, there is nothing
impossible
>> to
>> repair and rebuild on a R22. Some repairs take time and patients,
just
>> ask
>> Lou Rosenberg.
>>
>> Ed K
>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> R22MikeW wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree that it will take some work. The mold is probably from
rain water
>>> -
>>> the boat is sitting at a boat yard and needs a new companionway
door.
>>>
>>> This boat was discussed a week or 2 ago on this list. Without
>>> rehashing the messages, I think that even as a "project boat"
>>> it is worth $500-$600!
>>> Who
>>> knows, you might get it for $319 if no one else bids!
>>>
>>> As far as why would someone "give it" away? Everything from
>>> divorce proceedings to the passing of the captain. It may just
>>> be too much for them to repair.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Rory Orkin"
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 6:14 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Note the excessive mold on the port vertical area of the v
berth..
>>>> gotta wonder where that water is comming from.
>>>> Some items that leak or need to be replaced might not be made on
a boat
>>> that
>>>> old.
>>>> Might just be a parts boat. THes owner seems to have just given
up on it
>>> and
>>>> given it away.
>>>> Wonder why ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> R22MikeW wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > BTW, the eBay 1982 R22 that was sold last week for $565 +
>>>> $119 was > not paid for so it has been relisted at $200 + $119
>>>> as item > number:140027245056
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=14002724
>>> 5056&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AWNARL%3AMT%3A12
>>>> >
>>>> > Come on, who wants a bargain?
>>>> >
>>>> > Mike
>>>> > s/v Shanghai'd Summer
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > From:
>>>> > To:
>>>> > Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 11:39 AM
>>>> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> I am helping a fellow Lake Hartwell Rhodes owner sell their
>>>> boat. >> They
>>>> > must
>>>> >> sell due to personal health related problems so I offered to
help
>>>> them.
>>>> >> The boat is an 1989 model, factory recycled in 2004 and has
>>>> seen >> very
>>>> > little
>>>> >> use in the past two years. It is a beautiful red hull, has
IMF and >> a
>>>> 17
>>> 5
>>>> >> genny. Particulars and photo's are available by contacting
>>>> me off >> the list directly. It does not have a trailer, but I
>>>> understand >> that there are
>>>> > several good
>>>> >> used ones available from GB.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Rummy
>>>> >> 864-933-4284
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