[Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22

Saroj Gilbert saroj at pathfind.net
Mon Sep 18 23:23:05 EDT 2006 

I have a 135 genny and I've never found it to be underpowered... nor had any 
trouble pointing.. although you need to adjust the traveler some... I'm a 
novice on setting a sail for optimum performance, but there is a lot written 
here about it from the guys who race.

Saroj

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rik Sandberg" <sanderico at earthlink.net>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22


> Bob,
>
> I never had a problem with how well my R-22 would point. although, I did 
> get beat up pretty bad (pointing wise) by a J-34 once ..... big surprise, 
> eh??
>
> The "wide beam" you keep mentioning really is not that wide at all. Yes, 
> overall it is 8 feet, BUT, that is at the gunnels, NOT at the water line. 
> I think you will find, if you check into it that the R-22 has a fairly 
> narrow beam *at the waterline* compared to most boats in this length 
> range. (about 6 1/2 feet)
>
> If there is a pointing problem, it's the 175 genoa. It makes a lot of 
> power, but you can't hang that much canvas outside the shrouds and expect 
> to point high too. Get a 125 and sheet it inside if you want to point. 
> 'Course, you're gonna' want a little wind to get moving good then, but as 
> they say, you can't always get what you want :-)
>
> PS: don't try to keep up to or point with an R-22 in a CP23, You will be 
> disappointed. A Precision 23 would be a much closer competition.
>
> Rik
>
> Bob Keller wrote:
>> Philip,
>> I think the wide beam and flared hull does make the boat more stable and 
>> less prone to capsize.  But I also think a deeper fixed keel would do the 
>> same and would point better.  However, it's not as trailerable, so there 
>> are always compromises.  My point was that the wide beam negatively 
>> affects pointing ability.  I previously owned a 21' piece of crap boat 
>> that had a very heavy, steel swing keel.  The beam was also pretty 
>> narrow-probably 6 feet.  It pointed very high and was very stable.  But 
>> it smelled really bad...
>> Bob K
>>
>>
>>> From: "Philip" <3drecon at comcast.net>
>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>>> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 04:09:05 -0400
>>>
>>> Bob,
>>>     Doesn't the wide beam make the boat more laterally stable, that is, 
>>> less
>>> prone to capsize?
>>>
>>> Philip
>>>
>>>
>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>> From:     rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]  On Behalf Of Bob Keller
>>> Sent:    Sunday, September 17, 2006 9:37 PM
>>> To:    rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Subject:    Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>>>
>>> Erly,
>>> I've had my '95 R-22 for 5 years in both fresh and salt water and I do 
>>> love
>>> the boat, but the boat and design does have some drawbacks.  It does not
>>> point very high into the wind because of the wide beam and lack of a 
>>> deep
>>> fixed keel (which makes it trailerable).  The keel centerboard 
>>> combination
>>> is also a compromise and my "diamond-board" configuration is just not 
>>> that
>>> great for windward sailing.  In five years I have had ongoing, almost
>>> continuous problems with the centerboard not raising and lowering freely 
>>> and
>>> am currently having those problems again.  Matter of fact am going to 
>>> pull
>>> the boat next weekend and try to repair the centerboard again.  While 
>>> the
>>> Compac 23 does not have the amenities, it does have a fixed keel and
>>> probably points better because I don't think the beam is as wide. 
>>> Still, I
>>> chose the Rhodes over the Compac and have been very pleased, despite 
>>> these
>>> ongoing problems.  If you have the "older design" centerboard, you might 
>>> be
>>> better off.  Good luck.
>>> Bob K
>>> Yankee Clipper
>>>
>>>
>>> >From: "Erly Garner" <erlyg at charter.net>
>>> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>>> >Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:02:18 -0500
>>> >
>>> >My auto manual says absolutely 3500 lb. tow limit....Doesn't sound too
>>> >good. Maybe it's time I thought about getting a new car.
>>> >
>>> >Erly
>>> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Lou Troy"
>>> <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
>>> >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> >Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:47 PM
>>> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>Erly, What's the van rated for? Our Chev Blazer is rated to tow  5,000
>>> >>lbs. It does ok hauling the Rhodes but we only tow it a couple of
>>> times a
>>> >>year. It we were to tow long distances more often and if we had a
>>> lot of
>>> >>hills we might look for something a little beefier. The Rhodes does
>>> tow
>>> >>well but it's fairly heavy for its size (all those amenities weigh
>>> >>something). Because of the 9 stays it takes a bit longer to set up
>>> than a
>>> >>boat with fewer. On the plus side is the IMF which allows you to raise
>>> >>mast, sails and boom all at once. Of course that bundle is heavier
>>> than
>>> >>the individual pieces so a mast raising system like the once GB sells
>>> >>comes in very handy.
>>> >>
>>> >>Best,
>>> >>
>>> >>Mary Lou
>>> >>1991 R22   Fretless
>>> >>Swan Creek (Rock Hall, MD)
>>> >>
>>> >>At 08:31 PM 9/17/2006, you wrote:
>>> >>>I'm probably about 5 hrs or so from Edenton and am planning a trip
>>> for a
>>> >>>check-out sail.  I haven't heard any comments about towing with my
>>> >>>Toyota. I assume most are towed with an suv or resonably sized truck.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Erly
>>> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip" <3drecon at comcast.net>
>>> >>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> >>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:17 PM
>>> >>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>See, I said there is a negative for every positive and visa versa
>>> (i.e.
>>> >>>>the
>>> >>>>boring list).
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>-----Original Message-----
>>> >>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> >>>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Brad
>>> Haslett
>>> >>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 8:05 PM
>>> >>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>> >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>Philip,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>No, S2 (Tiara) is another great choice.  They made a 22' foot
>>> boat that
>>> >>>>kicked ass on the racing circuit. Their gelcoat quality is
>>> legendary.
>>> >>>>The
>>> >>>>9.2 S2 center cockpit (my boat) gives the most room of any 30 footer
>>> >>>>ever
>>> >>>>built at the expense of being ugly.  Leon Slicker, (S2 builder) is a
>>> >>>>'Stanish" kind of guy but on a larger scale (boat numbers wise).
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>But....they have the dullest e-mail list in the history of
>>> sailboats.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>'Bigger is better' is only a state of mind.  There are so many
>>> days that
>>> >>>>I
>>> >>>>long for the smaller boat.  If you want a 22 footer, the search
>>> is over.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>Brad
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>On 9/17/06, Philip <3drecon at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>One of the negatives is, it would be nice if it were 26 feet,
>>> but then
>>> >>>>>it
>>> >>>>>wouldn't be as easily "trailerable".  It would be nice if the
>>> company
>>> >>>>>were
>>> >>>>a
>>> >>>>>great world wide corporation, but then you wouldn't get the
>>> personal
>>> >>>>>attention from the owner (Stan).  I can't think of anymore
>>> negatives.
>>> >>>>>But
>>> >>>>>with each negative, there is a positive.  This is one
>>> outstanding boat.
>>> >>>>The
>>> >>>>>only reason to buy something else is size.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>Philip
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>> >>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
>>> >>>>> >> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Erly Garner
>>> >>>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:40 PM
>>> >>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>Ed K
>>> >>>>>I'm located close to Hickory, NC.  Presently, I'm sold on the
>>> Rhodes
>>> >>>>>but
>>> >>>>>want to be informed of both sides of the coin before making an
>>> >>>>>investment.
>>> >>>>>I'm relatively certain that my present vehicle can't tow a
>>> Rhodes (93
>>> >>>>>Toyota
>>> >>>>>Previa Van) but have reserved hopes.  There are bound to be some
>>> >>>>>negative
>>> >>>>>sides to a Rhodes, I just can't seem to find any.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>Erly
>>> >>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>> >>>>>From: "Tootle" <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>> >>>>>To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> >>>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 5:45 PM
>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>Erly:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>      You came to the wrong house to find con's to Rhodes 22.  When
>>> >>>>>comparing with the Com-Pac line you have to go to the CP 25 to
>>> >>>>>compare.  And
>>> >>>>>then you do not have the type trailerability of the Rhodes 22.
>>> As the
>>> >>>>>owner
>>> >>>>>of Com Pac told me, yes you can trail a 25, at the beginning of the
>>> >>>>>season
>>> >>>>>and at the end of the season.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>       If you want to trail without a big truck there just is not
>>> >>>>>currently
>>> >>>>>another design that works like the Rhodes 22, tis fact.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>       One person can rig, launch, retrieve and unrig a Rhodes
>>> 22, it
>>> >>>>>is
>>> >>>>>done all the time by members of this list.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>       Where are you located?  Have you seen a Rhodes 22?  Look
>>> at this
>>> >>>>>web
>>> >>>>>site:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>http://www.frappr.com/rhodes22
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>Ed K
>>> >>>>>Greenville, SC, USA
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>Erly Garner wrote:
>>> >>>>> >
>>> >>>>> > Hi:
>>> >>>>> >
>>> >>>>> > I've done limited sailing with my brother on his Compac 19.  I'm
>>> >>>>>just
>>> >>>>>now
>>> >>>>> > getting serious about getting my own boat and my research
>>> >>>>>indicates > that
>>> >>>>> > the Rhodes 22 seems to be a real dream boat.  I've got to have
>>> >>>>>an > easily
>>> >>>>> > trailerable craft (definite MUST), mostly plan on lake sailing,
>>> >>>>>girlfriend
>>> >>>>> > insists on enclosed head, a few lake side overnights on
>>> weekends,
>>> >>>>>and
>>> >>>>>want
>>> >>>>> > to do limited salt water upon retiring.  Big brother say
>>> there is no
>>> >>>>>other
>>> >>>>> > boat but the Compac.  What are the down sides and
>>> disadvantages of a
>>> >>>>> > Rhodes?  How trailerable is it (smallest vehicle to pull)?
>>> >>>>> >
>>> >>>>> > Thanks,
>>> >>>>> > Erly
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