[Rhodes22-list] boating and dealing with human excrement.. was:
Erly and towing the Rhodes 22
3drecon at comcast.net
3drecon at comcast.net
Tue Sep 19 18:54:35 EDT 2006
Art,
I am liking the composting head more and more. According to the websites the composting heads can handle several people over extended periods, in some cases all season without emptying. Leave it at the end of the season and the beginning of the next season, everything is broken down, evironmentally friendly and easy to empty.
It seems it would also be ideal for lakes where pumping out or discharge is not feasable.
Philip
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From: "Arthur H. Czerwonky" <czerwonky at earthlink.net>
> Mary Lou, Philip,
>
> One thought of caution - if you use a septic tank at home, I am told that many
> of the deodorant chemicals can act to neutralize the bacterial action that is
> necessary to neutralize and disperse the waste. This apparently will cause the
> septic tank to back up (and smell worse than the head). If solids and paper can
> be dealt with other than a porta potty, the tank can be emptied in the woods - I
> wouldn't expect more than 3 days storage from a porta potty in any case. I
> agree with Mary Lou - worth their weight in gold.
>
> Art
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net
> >Sent: Sep 19, 2006 11:31 AM
> >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] boating and dealing with human excrement..
> was: Erly and towing the Rhodes 22
> >
> >Philip, not much time for a complete answer but wanted to
> >chime in as we chose a boat with a porta-potti over a boat
> >will a marine head and holding tank. (simpler, not much to
> >go wrong). I think Saroj's instructions for cleaning are
> >fine for your head which has been left on the boat in
> >um...less than optimum condition. I was actually going to
> >suggest it might be easier to just get a new one.
> >
> >If it does clean up ok, we use a much simpler routine
> >after every trip on the boat. We use a tank deoderant
> >(Oderlos - although the blue stuff also works)if we are
> >going to be using the head. Once we get back to the dock,
> >we take the porta-potti home, empty it down the toilet,
> >and clean it with hot water. If we've been out for several
> >days, I may clean it with hot water and a disinfectant. I
> >don't use bleach as I suspect that over time it will
> >degrade the seals and gaskets. We also store it with the
> >caps off so it dries thoroughly. We've done this for the
> >nearly 20 years we've owned trailerable boats and rarely
> >had odors in the head.
> >
> >Hope this helps,
> >Mary Lou
> >1991 R22 Fretless
> >Swan Creek (Rock Hall, MD)
> >
> >
> >On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:49:34 +0000
> > 3drecon at comcast.net wrote:
> >> Saroj,
> >> Thanks. I had not cleaned one of these before. I
> >>will follow your directions and hopefully have a happy
> >>outcome. I am not unused to cleaning this type of thing.
> >> A stint in the USMC and years in the Army is good
> >>training for it and though I have achieved a rank where
> >>you wouldn't expect me to do that, believe it or not,
> >>rank has very few privilages these days.
> >> Stan actually told me to throw it out if I didn't
> >>want to fool with it, but I hate throwing away things
> >>that are not broken. I'll have to see how ambitious I am
> >>this week-end.
> >> When I was researching boats, I found composting
> >>toilets on-line for marine applications. I don't
> >>remember where I saw them but you can do a search or if I
> >>run across it again I'll post it.
> >>
> >> Philip
> >>
> >>
> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >>From: "Saroj Gilbert"
> >>
> >>> Philip... why don't you just take out the portapotty
> >>>(very carefully!),.. place
> >>> it in a large contractors heavy guage plastic bag, seal
> >>>it well and then replace
> >>> it when you return the boat to Stan. Or better still ask
> >>>Stan if you can simply
> >>> throw it out... I can't believe he would want it back to
> >>>have to be cleaned
> >>> before passing it onto someone else! Cleaning a porta
> >>>potty... especially
> >>> someone else's is one of the most disgusting tasks I can
> >>>think of.
> >>>
> >>> However if you are set on cleaning it, here's how:
> >>> a.. put on a gas mask
> >>> b.. remove it from its clamps
> >>> c.. set the bar so the waste compartment is sealed
> >>> d.. separate the top (that holds the fresh water for
> >>>flushing) from the bottom
> >>> (the waste tank)
> >>> e.. empty the waste tank down a toilet or dumping
> >>>station
> >>> f.. pour bleach and water into the waste tank and brush
> >>>it out same as you
> >>> would clean a household toilet
> >>> g.. empty, rinse, empty rinse, redo the bleach/water
> >>>routine, empty, rinse,
> >>> empty rinse a few more times
> >>> h.. spray the top part with Clorox cleanup or some
> >>>equivalent and hose it down
> >>> a few times...
> >>> Then put the whole thing back together; put it in a
> >>>heavy bag per above, store
> >>> it until you return the boat to Stan. :o)
> >>>
> >>> Then, if you are feeling especially generous, reinstall
> >>>it as it was...
> >>>
> >>> I frankly can't deal with porta potties... even if they
> >>>are contaminated only
> >>> with my DNA! In fact it is rare that I've been on a boat
> >>>with a holding tank
> >>> that didn't have a vestige of sewage odor in it
> >>>somewhere... and, frankly, if I
> >>> owned a boat with a holding tank, I wouldn't allow any
> >>>paper to be put in it
> >>> anyway... which means having a plastic bag in the head
> >>>for the paper... more
> >>> yuck... and more smell!
> >>>
> >>> I prefer a hand-held urinal and a 5-gallon bucket with a
> >>>toilet seat and plastic
> >>> bag... nothing to clean other than the toilet seat from
> >>>time to time.. a quick
> >>> wipe! The urinal gets dumped over the side and rinsed...
> >>>
> >>> A well-designed composting toilet is the only thing that
> >>>makes sense to me on a
> >>> boat (other than hanging one's rear-end over the side),
> >>>but I've never heard of
> >>> one being made for marine usage.
> >>>
> >>> Saroj
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Brad Haslett"
> >>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> >>> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 9:00 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Erly and towing the Rhodes
> >>>22
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > Philip,
> >>> >
> >>> > Read the whole thread on my shrimpmobile and follow
> >>>every suggestion. It
> >>> > won't remove the smell from your porti-potti, but, it
> >>>will change it to
> >>> > something you don't recognize. I'm thinking about
> >>>volunteering to be a
> >>> > designated driver at sleazy bars just to add the aroma
> >>>of puked tequila to
> >>> > the mix. Can't be any worse than dead shrimp!
> >>> >
> >>> > Brad
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On 9/18/06, 3drecon at comcast.net <3drecon at comcast.net>
> >>>wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> That's true, about the head. There is a curtain
> >>>between the pottie and
> >>> >> the V berth, I think. There is a swing arm, perhaps
> >>>for a curtain? My
> >>> >> loaner is a 1989 and it has a stinky porta-potty. I
> >>>think GBI took it in
> >>> >> with the previous owner's DNA still in it. I haven't
> >>>figured out how to
> >>> >> clean it yet so I leave the cabin open as much as I
> >>>can!
> >>> >> In all fairness to Stan, he offered to install a real
> >>>head if I had
> >>> >> the time to stay in Edenton, but I didn't, so. . .
> >>>since it is a loaner.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Philip
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >>> >> From: Tootle
> >>> >>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Erly:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Here is a way to get some specific towing
> >>>information:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html#T
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > And another way:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>>http://search.ask.com/web?q=towing+site%3Arhodes22.org+&qsrc=1&o=0&l=dir
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Please note that the above method of searching past
> >>>discussions of a
> >>> >> topic
> >>> >> > on this forum works for other topics.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Some additional comments: Captain Rummy is an easy
> >>>drive and can
> >>> >> > show you the limits of an older model Rhodes 22
> >>>('88). He does not come
> >>> >> > free. You need to lubricate the session with a
> >>>bottle of Mt. Gay rum.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > As to tow vehicles go to Mary Lou's post
> >>> >> > (
> >>> >>
> >>>http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2006-September/034114.html
> >>> >> )
> >>> >> > and read how far will you tow? 50 miles is one
> >>>thing and 500 is quite
> >>> >> > another. I started towing with a short bed van with
> >>>V 8 engine, because
> >>> >> I
> >>> >> > had one. Others tow with a 6 and a few even with a
> >>>4.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Keep in mind older Rhodes 22's did not come with
> >>>the enclosed
> >>> >> > head, that is a recent innovation and modification.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Again, welcome to the Rhodes List.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Ed K
> >>> >> > Greenville, SC, USA
> >>> >> > http://familyoutdoors.com/pages/bigwater.htm
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Ed K
> >>> >> > Greenville, SC, USA
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > > Erly,
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > > Hold your horses! Rik, you listening? We have an
> >>>expert trucking
> >>> >> company
> >>> >> > > executive on the list who pulled a R-22 with an
> >>>S10 Chevy pickup.
> >>> >> Don't
> >>> >> > > get
> >>> >> > > into to big a hurry to upgrade.
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > > Brad
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > > On 9/17/06, Erly Garner wrote:
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >> My auto manual says absolutely 3500 lb. tow
> >>>limit....Doesn't sound
> >>> >> too
> >>> >> > >> good.
> >>> >> > >> Maybe it's time I thought about getting a new
> >>>car.
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >> Erly
> >>> >> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> >> > >> From: "Mary Lou Troy"
> >>> >> > >> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> >>> >> > >> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:47 PM
> >>> >> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >> > Erly, What's the van rated for? Our Chev
> >>>Blazer is rated to tow
> >>> >> 5,000
> >>> >> > >> > lbs. It does ok hauling the Rhodes but we only
> >>>tow it a couple of
> >>> >> times
> >>> >> > >> a
> >>> >> > >> > year. It we were to tow long distances more
> >>>often and if we had a
> >>> >> lot
> >>> >> > >> of
> >>> >> > >> > hills we might look for something a little
> >>>beefier. The Rhodes does
> >>> >> tow
> >>> >> > >> > well but it's fairly heavy for its size (all
> >>>those amenities weigh
> >>> >> > >> > something). Because of the 9 stays it takes a
> >>>bit longer to set up
> >>> >> than
> >>> >> > >> a
> >>> >> > >> > boat with fewer. On the plus side is the IMF
> >>>which allows you to
> >>> >> raise
> >>> >> > >> > mast, sails and boom all at once. Of course
> >>>that bundle is heavier
> >>> >> than
> >>> >> > >> > the individual pieces so a mast raising system
> >>>like the once GB
> >>> >> sells
> >>> >> > >> > comes in very handy.
> >>> >> > >> >
> >>> >> > >> > Best,
> >>> >> > >> >
> >>> >> > >> > Mary Lou
> >>> >> > >> > 1991 R22 Fretless
> >>> >> > >> > Swan Creek (Rock Hall, MD)
> >>> >> > >> >
> >>> >> > >> > At 08:31 PM 9/17/2006, you wrote:
> >>> >> > >> >>I'm probably about 5 hrs or so from Edenton
> >>>and am planning a trip
> >>> >> for
> >>> >> > >> a
> >>> >> > >> >>check-out sail. I haven't heard any comments
> >>>about towing with my
> >>> >> > >> Toyota.
> >>> >> > >> >>I assume most are towed with an suv or
> >>>resonably sized truck.
> >>> >> > >> >>
> >>> >> > >> >>Erly
> >>> >> > >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip"
> >>><3drecon at comcast.net>
> >>> >> > >> >>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> >>> >> > >> >>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:17 PM
> >>> >> > >> >>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
> >>> >> > >> >>
> >>> >> > >> >>
> >>> >> > >> >>>See, I said there is a negative for every
> >>>positive and visa versa
> >>> >> > >> (i.e.
> >>> >> > >> >>>the
> >>> >> > >> >>>boring list).
> >>> >> > >> >>>
> >>> >> > >> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>> >> > >> >>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >>> >> > >> >>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]
> >>>On Behalf Of Brad
> >>> >> Haslett
> >>> >> > >> >>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 8:05 PM
> >>> >> > >> >>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>> >> > >> >>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes
> >>>22
> >>> >> > >> >>>
> >>> >> > >> >>>Philip,
> >>> >> > >> >>>
> >>> >> > >> >>>No, S2 (Tiara) is another great choice. They
> >>>made a 22' foot boat
> >>> >> > >> that
> >>> >> > >> >>>kicked ass on the racing circuit. Their
> >>>gelcoat quality is
> >>> >> legendary.
> >>> >> > >> The
> >>> >> > >> >>>9.2 S2 center cockpit (my boat) gives the
> >>>most room of any 30
> >>> >> footer
> >>> >> > >> ever
> >>> >> > >> >>>built at the expense of being ugly. Leon
> >>>Slicker, (S2 builder) is
> >>> >> a
> >>> >> > >> >>>'Stanish" kind of guy but on a larger scale
> >>>(boat numbers wise).
> >>> >> > >> >>>
> >>> >> > >> >>>But....they have the dullest e-mail list in
> >>>the history of
> >>> >> sailboats.
> >>> >> > >> >>>
> >>> >> > >> >>>'Bigger is better' is only a state of mind.
> >>>There are so many days
> >>> >> > >> that
> >>> >> > >> >>>I
> >>> >> > >> >>>long for the smaller boat. If you want a 22
> >>>footer, the search is
> >>> >> > >> over.
> >>> >> > >> >>>
> >>> >> > >> >>>Brad
> >>> >> > >> >>>
> >>> >> > >> >>>
> >>> >> > >> >>>On 9/17/06, Philip <3drecon at comcast.net>
> >>>wrote:
> >>> >> > >> >>>>
> >>> >> > >> >>>>One of the negatives is, it would be nice if
> >>>it were 26 feet, but
> >>> >> > >> then
> >>> >> > >> >>>>it
> >>> >> > >> >>>>wouldn't be as easily "trailerable". It
> >>>would be nice if the
> >>> >> company
> >>> >> > >> >>>>were
> >>> >> > >> >>>a
> >>> >> > >> >>>>great world wide corporation, but then you
> >>>wouldn't get the
> >>> >> personal
> >>> >> > >> >>>>attention from the owner (Stan). I can't
> >>>think of anymore
> >>> >> negatives.
> >>> >> > >> >>>>But
> >>> >> > >> >>>>with each negative, there is a positive.
> >>>This is one outstanding
> >>> >> > >> boat.
> >>> >> > >> >>>The
> >>> >> > >> >>>>only reason to buy something else is size.
> >>> >> > >> >>>>
> >>> >> > >> >>>>Philip
> >>> >> > >> >>>>
> >>> >> > >> >>>>
> >>> >> > >> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>> >> > >> >>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >>>[mailto:
> >>> >> > >> >>>> >> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On
> >>>Behalf Of Erly Garner
> >>> >> > >> >>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:40 PM
> >>> >> > >> >>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>> >> > >> >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes
> >>>22
> >>> >> > >> >>>>
> >>> >> > >> >>>>Ed K
> >>> >> > >> >>>>I'm located close to Hickory, NC. Presently,
> >>>I'm sold on the
> >>> >> Rhodes
> >>> >> > >> but
> >>> >> > >> >>>>want to be informed of both sides of the
> >>>coin before making an
> >>> >> > >> >>>>investment.
> >>> >> > >> >>>>I'm relatively certain that my present
> >>>vehicle can't tow a Rhodes
> >>> >> (93
> >>> >> > >> >>>>Toyota
> >>> >> > >> >>>>Previa Van) but have reserved hopes. There
> >>>are bound to be some
> >>> >> > >> >>>>negative
> >>> >> > >> >>>>sides to a Rhodes, I just can't seem to find
> >>>any.
> >>> >> > >> >>>>
> >>> >> > >> >>>>Erly
> >>> >> > >> >>>>----- Original Message -----
> >>> >> > >> >>>>From: "Tootle"
> >>> >> > >> >>>>To:
> >>> >> > >> >>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 5:45 PM
> >>> >> > >> >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes
> >>>22
> >>> >> > >> >>>>
> >>> >> > >> >>>>
> >>> >> > >> >>>>
> >>> >> > >> >>>>Erly:
> >>> >> > >> >>>>
> >>> >> > >> >>>> You came to the wrong house to find con's
> >>>to Rhodes 22. When
> >>> >> > >> >>>>comparing with the Com-Pac line you have to
> >>>go to the CP 25 to
> >>> >> > >> >>>>compare. And
> >>> >> > >> >>>>then you do not have the type trailerability
> >>>of the Rhodes 22. As
> >>> >> > >> the
> >>> >> > >> >>>>owner
> >>> >> > >> >>>>of Com Pac told me, yes you can trail a 25,
> >>>at the beginning of
> >>> >> the
> >>> >> > >> >>>>season
> >>> >> > >> >>>>and at the end of the season.
> >>> >> > >> >>>>
> >>> >> > >> >>>> If you want to trail without a big truck
> >>>there just is not
> >>> >> > >> >>>> currently
> >>> >> > >> >>>>another design that works like the Rhodes
> >>>22, tis fact.
> >>> >> > >> >>>>
> >>> >> > >> >>>> One person can rig, launch, retrieve and
> >>>unrig a Rhodes 22, it
> >>> >> > >> is
> >>> >> > >> >>>>done all the time by members of this list.
> >>> >> > >> >>>>
> >>> >> > >> >>>> Where are you located? Have you seen a
> >>>Rhodes 22? Look at
> >>> >> > >> this
> >>> >> > >> >>>> web
> >>> >> > >> >>>>site:
> >>> >> > >> >>>>
> >>> >> > >> >>>>http://www.frappr.com/rhodes22
> >>> >> > >> >>>>
> >>> >> > >> >>>>Ed K
> >>> >> > >> >>>>Greenville, SC, USA
> >>> >> > >> >>>>
> >>> >> > >> >>>>
> >>> >> > >> >>>>
> >>> >> > >> >>>>Erly Garner wrote:
> >>> >> > >> >>>> >
> >>> >> > >> >>>> > Hi:
> >>> >> > >> >>>> >
> >>> >> > >> >>>> > I've done limited sailing with my brother
> >>>on his Compac 19.
> >>> >> I'm
> >>> >> > >> just
> >>> >> > >> >>>>now
> >>> >> > >> >>>> > getting serious about getting my own boat
> >>>and my research
> >>> >> > >> >>>> indicates > that
> >>> >> > >> >>>> > the Rhodes 22 seems to be a real dream
> >>>boat. I've got to have
> >>> >> > >> >>>> an > easily
> >>> >> > >> >>>> > trailerable craft (definite MUST), mostly
> >>>plan on lake
> >>> >> sailing,
> >>> >> > >> >>>>girlfriend
> >>> >> > >> >>>> > insists on enclosed head, a few lake side
> >>>overnights on
> >>> >> weekends,
> >>> >> > >> and
> >>> >> > >> >>>>want
> >>> >> > >> >>>> > to do limited salt water upon retiring.
> >>>Big brother say there
> >>> >> is
> >>> >> > >> no
> >>> >> > >> >>>>other
> >>> >> > >> >>>> > boat but the Compac. What are the down
> >>>sides and disadvantages
> >>> >> of
> >>> >> > >> a
> >>> >> > >> >>>> > Rhodes? How trailerable is it (smallest
> >>>vehicle to pull)?
> >>> >> > >> >>>> >
> >>> >> > >> >>>> > Thanks,
> >>> >> > >> >>>> > Erly
> >>> >> > >> >>>> >
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