[Rhodes22-list] Captain Bob Kellers dream boat

Wed Sep 20 05:41:30 EDT 2006

Bob,

     Is this what you are chattering about:

http://www.cmdboats.com/windward21.htm

      As to your centerboard, go to  Lowes and get a Porter Cable 6" Orbital
sander ($110), take center board out, sand and fair out board so that it has
appropriate clearances and refinish.  Refinish with epoxy with telfon
additive.  If you have any problems inside well you will have to refinish
inside of well too.  That is much more difficut.  The only way I am familiar
with working is to get a college fraternity paddle and attach sandpaper to
it and mannually sand inside of well.  Then refinish with sealing epoxy, and
teflon epoxy.  Doing both should make movement slick as a whistle.

        Teflon addititive can be obtained from this source:

http://www.epoxyproducts.com/f_mixin.html   (about two thirds down page) 
BTW if you refinish you hull with this stuff added to final coating you
might even be able to keep up with Captain Rummy.

Ed K
Greenville, SC, USA

Bob Keller wrote:
> 
> No, it was a Windward 21.  Try finding that on the web...
> Bob K
> 
> 
>>From: john Belanger <jhnblngr at yahoo.com>
>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>>Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:11:09 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>>bob,
>>   was that 21' poc a venture by any chance?
>>
>>anima13 <anima13 at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>   Yea, but Rik,
>>Remember, I out-pointed you WITH my 175 up in our R-22 race of
>>years ago (seems like yesterday).
>>That is the racer in me!
>>I just winch that genoa in tight and head up...hang onto the
>>main sheet to let 'er out a little to maintain your 15 degree
>>heel for speed.
>>speaking of J-34....we have our big regatta Sat so we pulled the
>>J-34 and sprayed the bottom after our summer of 100+ degrees.
>>That heat sure makes for nasty bottoms.
>>Wish us luck!
>>Gee, Rik, This is your usual time to be here...miss you.
>>Hope Sandy is doing better.
>>Anne
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Rik Sandberg
>>Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 9:20 PM
>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>>
>>
>>Bob,
>>
>>I never had a problem with how well my R-22 would point. although, I did
>>get beat up pretty bad (pointing wise) by a J-34 once ..... big
>>surprise, eh??
>>
>>The "wide beam" you keep mentioning really is not that wide at all. Yes,
>>overall it is 8 feet, BUT, that is at the gunnels, NOT at the water
>>line. I think you will find, if you check into it that the R-22 has a
>>fairly narrow beam *at the waterline* compared to most boats in this
>>length range. (about 6 1/2 feet)
>>
>>If there is a pointing problem, it's the 175 genoa. It makes a lot of
>>power, but you can't hang that much canvas outside the shrouds and
>>expect to point high too. Get a 125 and sheet it inside if you want to
>>point. 'Course, you're gonna' want a little wind to get moving good
>>then, but as they say, you can't always get what you want :-)
>>
>>PS: don't try to keep up to or point with an R-22 in a CP23, You will be
>>disappointed. A Precision 23 would be a much closer competition.
>>
>>Rik
>>
>>Bob Keller wrote:
>> > Philip,
>> > I think the wide beam and flared hull does make the boat more stable
>> > and less prone to capsize. But I also think a deeper fixed keel would
>> > do the same and would point better. However, it's not as trailerable,
>> > so there are always compromises. My point was that the wide beam
>> > negatively affects pointing ability. I previously owned a 21' piece
>> > of crap boat that had a very heavy, steel swing keel. The beam was
>> > also pretty narrow-probably 6 feet. It pointed very high and was very
>> > stable. But it smelled really bad...
>> > Bob K
>> >
>> >
>> >> From: "Philip" <3drecon at comcast.net>
>> >> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
>> >> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>> >> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 04:09:05 -0400
>> >>
>> >> Bob,
>> >> Doesn't the wide beam make the boat more laterally stable, that
>> >> is, less
>> >> prone to capsize?
>> >>
>> >> Philip
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bob Keller
>> >> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 9:37 PM
>> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>> >>
>> >> Erly,
>> >> I've had my '95 R-22 for 5 years in both fresh and salt water and I
>> >> do love
>> >> the boat, but the boat and design does have some drawbacks. It does
>> not
>> >> point very high into the wind because of the wide beam and lack of a
>> >> deep
>> >> fixed keel (which makes it trailerable). The keel centerboard
>> >> combination
>> >> is also a compromise and my "diamond-board" configuration is just not
>> >> that
>> >> great for windward sailing. In five years I have had ongoing, almost
>> >> continuous problems with the centerboard not raising and lowering
>> >> freely and
>> >> am currently having those problems again. Matter of fact am going to
>> >> pull
>> >> the boat next weekend and try to repair the centerboard again. While
>> >> the
>> >> Compac 23 does not have the amenities, it does have a fixed keel and
>> >> probably points better because I don't think the beam is as wide.
>> >> Still, I
>> >> chose the Rhodes over the Compac and have been very pleased, despite
>> >> these
>> >> ongoing problems. If you have the "older design" centerboard, you
>> >> might be
>> >> better off. Good luck.
>> >> Bob K
>> >> Yankee Clipper
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >From: "Erly Garner"
>> >> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> >> >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
>> >> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>> >> >Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:02:18 -0500
>> >> >
>> >> >My auto manual says absolutely 3500 lb. tow limit....Doesn't sound
>> too
>> >> >good. Maybe it's time I thought about getting a new car.
>> >> >
>> >> >Erly
>> >> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Lou Troy"
>> >>
>> >> >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
>> >> >Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:47 PM
>> >> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>Erly, What's the van rated for? Our Chev Blazer is rated to tow
>> 5,000
>> >> >>lbs. It does ok hauling the Rhodes but we only tow it a couple of
>> >> times a
>> >> >>year. It we were to tow long distances more often and if we had a
>> >> lot of
>> >> >>hills we might look for something a little beefier. The Rhodes does
>> >> tow
>> >> >>well but it's fairly heavy for its size (all those amenities weigh
>> >> >>something). Because of the 9 stays it takes a bit longer to set up
>> >> than a
>> >> >>boat with fewer. On the plus side is the IMF which allows you to 
>>raise
>> >> >>mast, sails and boom all at once. Of course that bundle is heavier
>> >> than
>> >> >>the individual pieces so a mast raising system like the once GB
>> sells
>> >> >>comes in very handy.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Best,
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Mary Lou
>> >> >>1991 R22 Fretless
>> >> >>Swan Creek (Rock Hall, MD)
>> >> >>
>> >> >>At 08:31 PM 9/17/2006, you wrote:
>> >> >>>I'm probably about 5 hrs or so from Edenton and am planning a trip
>> >> for a
>> >> >>>check-out sail. I haven't heard any comments about towing with my
>> >> >>>Toyota. I assume most are towed with an suv or resonably sized 
>>truck.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>Erly
>> >> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip" <3drecon at comcast.net>
>> >> >>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
>> >> >>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:17 PM
>> >> >>>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>See, I said there is a negative for every positive and visa versa
>> >> (i.e.
>> >> >>>>the
>> >> >>>>boring list).
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>-----Original Message-----
>> >> >>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> >> >>>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Brad
>> >> Haslett
>> >> >>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 8:05 PM
>> >> >>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> >> >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>Philip,
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>No, S2 (Tiara) is another great choice. They made a 22' foot
>> >> boat that
>> >> >>>>kicked ass on the racing circuit. Their gelcoat quality is
>> >> legendary.
>> >> >>>>The
>> >> >>>>9.2 S2 center cockpit (my boat) gives the most room of any 30 
>>footer
>> >> >>>>ever
>> >> >>>>built at the expense of being ugly. Leon Slicker, (S2 builder) is
>> a
>> >> >>>>'Stanish" kind of guy but on a larger scale (boat numbers wise).
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>But....they have the dullest e-mail list in the history of
>> >> sailboats.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>'Bigger is better' is only a state of mind. There are so many
>> >> days that
>> >> >>>>I
>> >> >>>>long for the smaller boat. If you want a 22 footer, the search
>> >> is over.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>Brad
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>On 9/17/06, Philip <3drecon at comcast.net> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>One of the negatives is, it would be nice if it were 26 feet,
>> >> but then
>> >> >>>>>it
>> >> >>>>>wouldn't be as easily "trailerable". It would be nice if the
>> >> company
>> >> >>>>>were
>> >> >>>>a
>> >> >>>>>great world wide corporation, but then you wouldn't get the
>> >> personal
>> >> >>>>>attention from the owner (Stan). I can't think of anymore
>> >> negatives.
>> >> >>>>>But
>> >> >>>>>with each negative, there is a positive. This is one
>> >> outstanding boat.
>> >> >>>>The
>> >> >>>>>only reason to buy something else is size.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Philip
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>-----Original Message-----
>> >> >>>>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
>> >> >>>>> >> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Erly Garner
>> >> >>>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:40 PM
>> >> >>>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> >> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Ed K
>> >> >>>>>I'm located close to Hickory, NC. Presently, I'm sold on the
>> >> Rhodes
>> >> >>>>>but
>> >> >>>>>want to be informed of both sides of the coin before making an
>> >> >>>>>investment.
>> >> >>>>>I'm relatively certain that my present vehicle can't tow a
>> >> Rhodes (93
>> >> >>>>>Toyota
>> >> >>>>>Previa Van) but have reserved hopes. There are bound to be some
>> >> >>>>>negative
>> >> >>>>>sides to a Rhodes, I just can't seem to find any.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Erly
>> >> >>>>>----- Original Message -----
>> >> >>>>>From: "Tootle"
>> >> >>>>>To:
>> >> >>>>>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 5:45 PM
>> >> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cons of rhodes 22
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Erly:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> You came to the wrong house to find con's to Rhodes 22. When
>> >> >>>>>comparing with the Com-Pac line you have to go to the CP 25 to
>> >> >>>>>compare. And
>> >> >>>>>then you do not have the type trailerability of the Rhodes 22.
>> >> As the
>> >> >>>>>owner
>> >> >>>>>of Com Pac told me, yes you can trail a 25, at the beginning of 
>>the
>> >> >>>>>season
>> >> >>>>>and at the end of the season.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> If you want to trail without a big truck there just is not
>> >> >>>>>currently
>> >> >>>>>another design that works like the Rhodes 22, tis fact.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> One person can rig, launch, retrieve and unrig a Rhodes
>> >> 22, it
>> >> >>>>>is
>> >> >>>>>done all the time by members of this list.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Where are you located? Have you seen a Rhodes 22? Look
>> >> at this
>> >> >>>>>web
>> >> >>>>>site:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>http://www.frappr.com/rhodes22
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Ed K
>> >> >>>>>Greenville, SC, USA
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Erly Garner wrote:
>> >> >>>>> >
>> >> >>>>> > Hi:
>> >> >>>>> >
>> >> >>>>> > I've done limited sailing with my brother on his Compac 19.
>> I'm
>> >> >>>>>just
>> >> >>>>>now
>> >> >>>>> > getting serious about getting my own boat and my research
>> >> >>>>>indicates > that
>> >> >>>>> > the Rhodes 22 seems to be a real dream boat. I've got to have
>> >> >>>>>an > easily
>> >> >>>>> > trailerable craft (definite MUST), mostly plan on lake
>> sailing,
>> >> >>>>>girlfriend
>> >> >>>>> > insists on enclosed head, a few lake side overnights on
>> >> weekends,
>> >> >>>>>and
>> >> >>>>>want
>> >> >>>>> > to do limited salt water upon retiring. Big brother say
>> >> there is no
>> >> >>>>>other
>> >> >>>>> > boat but the Compac. What are the down sides and
>> >> disadvantages of a
>> >> >>>>> > Rhodes? How trailerable is it (smallest vehicle to pull)?
>> >> >>>>> >
>> >> >>>>> > Thanks,
>> >> >>>>> > Erly
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