[Rhodes22-list] Roger
Slim
salm at mn.rr.com
Fri Sep 22 15:10:18 EDT 2006
Wally,
Thanks for the extra input. I suppose it's all of those things.
But re his tuning, I noticed that his starboard aft lower shroud chain plate
is cracked and pulling out so maybe those who think his tuning is too tight
might be right. Indeed they were much tighter than mine and when I
"plucked" them, they sounded more like guitar strings than bass strings.
Slim
On 9/22/06 7:17 AM, "TN Rhodey" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Slim,
>
> I will back up somewhat from what I said....his genny is a big part but not
> the only reason his boat points better then yours, HIs 150 isn't a dacron
> sail and it holds nice foil shape (outside shoruds) even in the lighest of
> winds. I think the this really helps. Think perfect (better) wing. My older
> 155 loses shape in light winds lulls reducing lift and drive.
>
> I also know Roger has a boom vang and uses his traveler. These will also
> help create better sail shape on main. His battened main with increased
> roach helps out as well. I also think you can tune the standard rig better.
> You can tension forestay and backstays tighter than IMF. A nicely raked mast
> helps. With standard main and Harken furler you can tension the luff on
> genny much tighter than with IMF. Even though many thought his tuning specs
> were way to high they are in line with everything I have read about tuning
> rigs. I really think it is all of these things added up.
>
> I wish I had more time to compare my sails to Rogers. My 155 is beat so it
> was hard to compare tacking angles. I could point higher with my 125 verses
> Roger's 150 but I could go much faster with his 150. The extra speed more
> than made up for the difference. I raced 6 races using his sail then shipped
> it back to him. I raced the entire season single handled and placed over
> all third in my Fleet. His sail really helped me in lighter wind conditions.
>
> Also do you have diamond board? My 84 has old style CB like Roger's. I
> really don't know much about the diamond board but this may be part of the
> equation. Lastly even with luff pad the monent you furl any head sail you
> lose a little upwind ability.
>
> Wally
>
>
>> From: Slim <salm at mn.rr.com>
>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> To: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Roger
>> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:22:32 -0500
>>
>> Wally,
>>
>> OK, so what is it about his 150 that makes the boat point so well? Is it
>> because he can have his whole sail out and still be inboard the shrouds,
>> whereas if I have 150 of my 175 out and likewise inboard, I have a big
>> sausage on my luff? BTW, I had a luff pad installed this year and it makes
>> a huge difference.
>>
>> Slim
>>
>> On 9/21/06 3:10 PM, "TN Rhodey" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Slim,
>>>
>>> His 150 is why he can point. I flew that same sail on my boat for a
>> couple
>>> of races and it was really nice. Some type of composite material. Loose
>> foot
>>> isn't the problem with IMF, many race boats have loose foot main. The
>> main
>>> difference is the ability to tension the luff, the expanded roach of
>> main,
>>> and battens.
>>>
>>> Wally
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Slim <salm at mn.rr.com>
>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> To: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Roger
>>>> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:34:03 -0500
>>>>
>>>> I'm among the few that have sailed on both standard and IMF boats. My
>> sail
>>>> with Roger the other day convinced me that his boat will outperform
>> mine
>>>> any
>>>> day. His is lighter, has less wetted surface friction because of a
>> smaller
>>>> board, and especially the standard main. Even with two reefs, his main
>>>> performs well. I can reef in my IMF to have the same square footage
>> but no
>>>> matter what, it¹s still loose-footed and I think that¹s where his
>> really
>>>> has
>>>> the edge. He also tacks through 80 degrees and mine through 90.
>> Again, I
>>>> assume this is attributed to the main. When we get him out on Fandango
>>>> it¹ll be very interesting to see if he agrees--I'm sure he will. He
>> has a
>>>> 150% foresail and it's cut so that when it's all the way out, you can
>> still
>>>> see under it. My big 175 is more or less a "deck sweeper" and you
>> can't
>>>> see
>>>> under it when it's full out. Even on a broad reach with my bigger jib,
>>>> he'd
>>>> deploy his asymmetrical spinnaker and I'd be toast.
>>>>
>>>> That said, I'm not a racer and I still prefer the IMF because of its
>>>> simplicity and convenience. And I don't have a spinnaker nor would I
>> want
>>>> all that fuss and extra rigging.
>>>>
>>>> Slim
>>>>
>>>> On 9/21/06 6:58 AM, "TN Rhodey" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Art,
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep Roger was no fan of IMF. He builit a mast crane that estended off
>>>> top of
>>>>> mast and moved the back stays aft. This allowed him to have extra
>> roach
>>>> main
>>>>> sail that I am sure generated some extra power. He also has a really
>>>> nice
>>>>> 150 (non dacron) that really holds shape even in little wind. His club
>>>> had
>>>>> his PFRF down to 243 and he still managed to win a few races.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I said in earlier post I always enjoyed Roger's perspective. We
>>>> didn't
>>>>> always agree but I really respected his sailing knowledge.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am glad he is helping you out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wally
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: "Arthur H. Czerwonky" <czerwonky at earthlink.net>
>>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Roger
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:26:48 -0400 (EDT)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Slim,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have gotten three emails from Roger, and have responded to each.
>> He
>>>> has
>>>>>> been greatly helpful, and I really appreciate the sail you had with
>> him
>>>> and
>>>>>> your own email to the list. I have noticed that each of his emails
>>>> were
>>>>>> worked over by the SPAM bouncer, big brute - over 400#, but after I
>> put
>>>> him
>>>>>> on my address list were not supposed to be 'screened' and held. His
>>>>>> pictures were excellent and helped very much. He is certainly not an
>>>> IMF
>>>>>> fan - as an engineer, I'm sure a sailing purist like my wife's dad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, I asked Rummy about your next Greenville trip to visit your
>> mother
>>>> -
>>>>>> is she now in Florida? I think he said Naples area. How does she
>> like
>>>>>> IMF?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Art
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Slim <salm at mn.rr.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sep 20, 2006 1:36 PM
>>>>>>> To: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Roger
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Art,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Roger got back to me and said he sent you some info but didn't hear
>>>> back.
>>>>>>> Maybe your spam-blocker stopped it. He'd be glad to help you with
>>>>>>> installation, wiring, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/20/06 8:13 AM, "Arthur H. Czerwonky" <czerwonky at earthlink.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ben,
>>>>>>>> Thanks for your reply. I am contemplating one with the Seatalk
>>>> remote.
>>>>>> I am
>>>>>>>> curious how you installed and how difficult on the wiring.
>>>>>>>> R,
>>>>>>>> Art
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sep 18, 2006 3:52 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>, The
>> Rhodes
>>>>>> 22 mail
>>>>>>>>> list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Roger
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Art,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are you looking specifically for Roger, or do you have autopilot
>>>>>> questions?
>>>>>>>>> I've valued the ST1000 over the rest of my crew in years past.
>>>>>> Anything I
>>>>>>>>> can help you with?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ben
>>>>>>>>> R22 Velvet Elvis
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: "Arthur H. Czerwonky" <czerwonky at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>>> Subj: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Roger
>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:28
>>>>>>>>> Size: 1K
>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Slim,
>>>>>>>>> Do you know what autopilot he uses? Do you have an email address
>>>> for
>>>>>> him, or
>>>>>>>>> ph # where I could reach him?
>>>>>>>>> Thx,
>>>>>>>>> Art
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Slim <salm at mn.rr.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sep 18, 2006 2:10 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Roger
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As some of you know, former Rhodes list member, Roger Pihlaja is
>>>> now
>>>>>> living
>>>>>>>>>> in the greater Twin Cities area and today I had the pleasure of
>>>>>> taking a
>>>>>>>>>> sail with him on the famous Dynamic Equilibrium! Temps in the
>> low
>>>>>> 70s and
>>>>>>>>>> winds 18 gusting to 25. His is a '76 Continental with standard,
>>>>>>>>>> full-battened main and 150% headsail. We sailed with two reefs
>> in
>>>>>> the main
>>>>>>>>>> and varying 100% to 150% jib depending on point of sail.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dynamic Equilibrium is truly and engineer's boat--it's rigged to
>>>> the
>>>>>> teeth.
>>>>>>>>>> Two spinnakers, spinnaker pole and whisker pole mounted on the
>> fore
>>>>>> deck,
>>>>>>>>>> auto-pilot, instruments, bimini, boom tent, everything! We sailed
>>>> for
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> couple of hours and had a very good time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Note: He has a much higher voice than I'd imagined. I imagined
>> he
>>>>>> had a
>>>>>>>>>> voice like Joe Friday on Dragnet. 8-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>>>>
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