[Rhodes22-list] Reply to Herb (You might be a true American. . . )
3drecon at comcast.net
3drecon at comcast.net
Thu Sep 28 18:24:10 EDT 2006
Happy birthday Brad.
Philip
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From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com>
> Slim,
>
> Don't know anyone from Selma but Condi grew up nearby. She actually
> *knew*the girls who were killed in the church bombing (as opposed to
> the serial
> liar Clinton who never witnessed such a thing, despite his "pain of
> remembering"). Condi did OK. Slim, I like you but you are out of touch
> with reality sometimes. Come live with me in Memphis for a while and then
> "preach".
>
> Today is my birthday, sing "Southern Man" in my honor. Even though I'm from
> the Midwest, everyone knows what racists us 'grit boys' are.
>
> Brad
>
>
> On 9/28/06, Slim wrote:
> >
> > Philip,
> >
> > You and Herb can certainly stand tall and be proud of your accomplishments
> > in the face of adversity and challenge. But when you say:
> > >> we all have the opportunity to achieve the zenith of our abilities.
> > something sticks in my craw. Do you remember the civil rights struggle in
> > the 60s? Find a man from Selma, Ala and ask him if he thinks he was given
> > ample opportunity then and if it's much better now.
> >
> > Slim
> >
> > On 9/28/06 8:22 AM, "3drecon at comcast.net" <3drecon at comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Herb,
> > > I am sort of white, Mediteranian. My parents divorced when I was
> > 10. My
> > > dad, though kind at heart, was not very responsible and did only what
> > the
> > > court ordered him to do (never missed a payment) but there were no
> > fishing
> > > trips, camping or anythnng like that.
> > > My younger brother got his Eagle Scout without any family adult
> > > participation and is on schedule to retire at 52 years old (and I mean
> > > retire). He, like I have always worked at least two jobs (unless I was
> > on
> > > active duty; officers are generally prohibited from moonlighting). We
> > put
> > > ourselves through college working the whole time. I am in the Army
> > (again)
> > > until I retire, then back to the civilian job. I started out as a PVT 1
> > in
> > > the USMC and am now a Lieutenant Colonel in the Army. None of this
> > would have
> > > been possible without an education. An education I paid for working,
> > student
> > > loans (which I paid back in full) and Vietnam era GI Bill. My brother
> > didn't
> > > have the GI bill but still paid for his education himself.
> > > My mother worked her ass off to keep us in clothes, under a roof (her
> > > house) and fed while finishing her B.S.
> > > You make your own luck (when opportunity meets preparedness). Make
> > your
> > > choices and play it out.
> > > I am now helping my older son through the American Academy of
> > Dramatic Arts
> > > (he has been offered a part in Pirates of the Carribean III). My
> > younger son
> > > is in private school.
> > >
> > > Philip
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > From: "Herb Parsons"
> > >
> > >> Phillip,
> > >>
> > >> Interesting the diversity of responses Slim's cynical viewpoint
> > >> generated.
> > >>
> > >> My mother never finished high school. We were what most would call
> > >> "poor white trash", moving all over the country depending on who her
> > >> husband was.
> > >>
> > >> She finally bought a house about 2 years after my wife and I got
> > >> married (12 years ago).
> > >>
> > >> I did a bit better. Make about 90k a year, and even though i was an
> > >> adult before I bought my first house, it was before my kids were grown.
> > >>
> > >> My first married daughter and her fiancé bought their house 3 months
> > >> before their wedding.
> > >>
> > >> I'm sure though, that it has little to do with working hard to improve
> > >> your lot, and that of your children's, and more to do with living in a
> > >> white man's world.
> > >>
> > >> Yeah, sure of it...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Herb Parsons
> > >>
> > >> S/V O'Jure
> > >> 1976 O'Day 25
> > >> Lake Grapevine, N TX
> > >>
> > >> S/V Reve de Papa
> > >> 1971 Coronado 35
> > >> Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
> > >>
> > >>>>> 3drecon at comcast.net 9/27/2006 4:09:30 pm >>>
> > >> Slim,
> > >> Your comments are about as extremist as they come. Life isn't a
> > >> level playing field. We all have our hurdles and it is up to each of us
> > >> to cross them. The promise of this country isn't equal outcome, rather,
> > >> we all have the opportunity to achieve the zenith of our abilities.
> > >>
> > >> Philip
> > >> Son of immigrants who speak foreign languages (and English) but did
> > >> alright anyway!
> > >>
> > >> -------------- Original message --------------
> > >> From: Slim
> > >>
> > >>> I'm sorry if anybody is offended by any more measure than I was at
> > >> the first
> > >>> list that Elle posted. Truly, I'm a moderate, not an extremist, but
> > >>> extremist rhetoric from others brings out the beast in me.
> > >>>
> > >>> That said, white man's guilt or not, you have to admit there are two
> > >>
> > >>> Americas--one for white men and one for everybody else. Not exactly a
> > >> level
> > >>> playing field.
> > >>>
> > >>> Slim
> > >>>
> > >>> On 9/27/06 3:15 PM, "Brad Haslett" wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Slim,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I understand the reasoning behind some of your points. That doesn't
> > >> mean I
> > >>>> agree with reasoning, or the points, I just understand the mindset.
> > >> One area
> > >>>> where we most vehemently disagree is the white Anglo comment. I
> > >> didn't
> > >>>> choose to be born white, male, or the son of a frequently
> > >> unemployed
> > >>>> construction worker. That was fate, or whatever. I don't owe my
> > >> success,
> > >>>> however modest, to pigmentation or the lack of it. In other words,
> > >> if you
> > >>>> must suffer from white man's guilt, do so, but don't project it on
> > >> me or
> > >>>> anyone else.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> As to the flag, I can wait to sing the National Anthem at the top
> > >> of my
> > >>>> lungs in Beijing in two years with my daughter singing along and my
> > >> wife
> > >>>> holding her hand over her heart.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Brad
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 9/27/06, Slim wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Yeah, OK, I'd like to add a few too:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you continue to support the
> > >> administration
> > >>>>> no matter how many lies are crammed down our throats.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you go to church every Sunday and
> > >> pray for
> > >>>>> the destruction of others in the name of God.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you think all languages except
> > >> English
> > >>>>> should be banned within our borders.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you're a white Anglo.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you think only TRUE AMERICANS
> > >> adhere to
> > >>>>> this
> > >>>>> list!!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 9/27/06 8:00 AM, "Hank" wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Great email, Elle. I'd only suugest one edit. Add "Remove your
> > >> hat" to
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>>> part about the National Anthem. That's always been a pet peeve of
> > >> mine
> > >>>>> to
> > >>>>>> see folks at a ball game not take off their hat.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 9/27/06, L. Sailor wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Came across my email this AM. Makes one think about
> > >>>>>>> how those in the middle politically are being
> > >>>>>>> bullied by the ends of the spectrum.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> elle
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> It is time to change from REDNECK humor to TRUE
> > >>>>>>> AMERICAN Humor! Only I don't see it as Humor, but the
> > >>>>>>> correct way to LIVE YOUR LIFE ! If you feel the same,
> > >>>>>>> pass this on to your True American friends. Ya'll
> > >>>>>>> know who ya' are...
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: It never occurred to
> > >>>>>>> you to be offended by the phrase, "One nation, under
> > >>>>>>> God."
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You've never
> > >>>>>>> protested about seeing the 10 Commandments posted in
> > >>>>>>> public places.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You still say
> > >>>>>>> "Christmas" instead of "Winter Festival."
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You bow your head
> > >>>>>>> when someone
> > >>>>>>> prays.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You stand and place
> > >>>>>>> your hand over your heart when they play the National
> > >>>>>>> Anthem.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You treat Viet Nam
> > >>>>>>> vets with great respect, and alw ays have.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You've never burned
> > >>>>>>> an American flag.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You know what you
> > >>>>>>> believe and you aren't afraid to say so, no matter
> > >>>>>>> who is listening.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You respect your
> > >>>>>>> elders and expect your kids to do the same.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You'd give your last
> > >>>>>>> dollar to a friend.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> If you got this email from me, it is because I believe
> > >>>>>>> that you, like me, have just enough TRUE AMERICAN in
> > >>>>>>> you to have the same beliefs as those talked about in
> > >>>>>>> this email. This is Excellent, No Matter what you
> > >>>>>>> deem fit to call it. It is our Country, It is our way
> > >>>>>>> of LIFE, and I love it.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> God Bless the U S A ! Git 'er done!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
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