[Rhodes22-list] Reply to Herb (You might be a true American. . . )
Slim
salm at mn.rr.com
Thu Sep 28 15:00:35 EDT 2006
> You are never alone, Slim.
>
> the good guys from Brooklyn.
>
> ss
NOW I'm happy! The defense rests.
Slim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Slim" <salm at mn.rr.com>
> To: "Rhodes22-list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 2:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reply to Herb (You might be a true American. .
> . )
>
>
> Thanks, Bill, I'm starting to feel very alone in this thread. 8-)
> Not that I mind being ganged up on--it's just that these guys always throw
> all those links to articles at me when I'm just writing from the heart (some
> would say from my ass) and shooting from the hip.
>
> Slim
>
> On 9/28/06 1:26 PM, "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>
>> Slim,
>>
>> Don't let the bleeding heart conservatives get you down. Their hearts
>> bleed only for themselves.
>>
>> Bill Effros
>>
>> Slim wrote:
>>> Herb and Brad,
>>>
>>> Pah-lease don't hold Condy up as a good example! You're going to have to
>>> do
>>> better than that. Her greatest skill is talking without saying anything.
>>> As long as you're at it, why not hold up Louis Farrakhan's success?
>>> (more
>>> sarcasm) How about Little Richard? He never got a dime in royalties for
>>> his songs. I'll give you three guesses why. How about Rubin "Hurricane"
>>> Carter? He sure got a fair shake.
>>>
>>> Slim
>>>
>>> On 9/28/06 12:59 PM, "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Why would that "stick in your craw"? That was 40 years ago? Yes, things
>>>> were bad. But they are MUCH better now. Yes, things still need to get
>>>> better, but they are MUCH better now. Yes, things were hard back then,
>>>> but Condy Rice is a product of THAT ERA.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, it wasn't "my accomplishments" I was talking about. It was the
>>>> pattern. I did better than my parents, because I chose to. My daughter
>>>> did better than I, because she chose to. I hope her kids do better than
>>>> she did (I also hope she starts HAVING them soon, I've trained my oldest
>>>> granddaughter [3 years old] to say "Aunt Saundra, I want a WRIGHT cousin
>>>> [my daughter's last name].)!
>>>>
>>>> It can be done. It's up the individual. They can choose to be a victim,
>>>> or they can choose to persevere.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> salm at mn.rr.com 9/28/2006 12:03:32 pm >>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> Philip,
>>>>
>>>> You and Herb can certainly stand tall and be proud of your
>>>> accomplishments
>>>> in the face of adversity and challenge. But when you say:
>>>>
>>>>>> we all have the opportunity to achieve the zenith of our abilities.
>>>>>>
>>>> something sticks in my craw. Do you remember the civil rights struggle
>>>> in
>>>> the 60s? Find a man from Selma, Ala and ask him if he thinks he was
>>>> given
>>>> ample opportunity then and if it's much better now.
>>>>
>>>> Slim
>>>>
>>>> On 9/28/06 8:22 AM, "3drecon at comcast.net" <3drecon at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Herb,
>>>>> I am sort of white, Mediteranian. My parents divorced when I was
>>>>>
>>>> 10. My
>>>>
>>>>> dad, though kind at heart, was not very responsible and did only what
>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>> court ordered him to do (never missed a payment) but there were no
>>>>>
>>>> fishing
>>>>
>>>>> trips, camping or anythnng like that.
>>>>> My younger brother got his Eagle Scout without any family adult
>>>>> participation and is on schedule to retire at 52 years old (and I
>>>>>
>>>> mean
>>>>
>>>>> retire). He, like I have always worked at least two jobs (unless I
>>>>>
>>>> was on
>>>>
>>>>> active duty; officers are generally prohibited from moonlighting).
>>>>>
>>>> We put
>>>>
>>>>> ourselves through college working the whole time. I am in the Army
>>>>>
>>>> (again)
>>>>
>>>>> until I retire, then back to the civilian job. I started out as a
>>>>>
>>>> PVT 1 in
>>>>
>>>>> the USMC and am now a Lieutenant Colonel in the Army. None of this
>>>>>
>>>> would have
>>>>
>>>>> been possible without an education. An education I paid for working,
>>>>>
>>>> student
>>>>
>>>>> loans (which I paid back in full) and Vietnam era GI Bill. My
>>>>>
>>>> brother didn't
>>>>
>>>>> have the GI bill but still paid for his education himself.
>>>>> My mother worked her ass off to keep us in clothes, under a roof
>>>>>
>>>> (her
>>>>
>>>>> house) and fed while finishing her B.S.
>>>>> You make your own luck (when opportunity meets preparedness).
>>>>>
>>>> Make your
>>>>
>>>>> choices and play it out.
>>>>> I am now helping my older son through the American Academy of
>>>>>
>>>> Dramatic Arts
>>>>
>>>>> (he has been offered a part in Pirates of the Carribean III). My
>>>>>
>>>> younger son
>>>>
>>>>> is in private school.
>>>>>
>>>>> Philip
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -------------- Original message --------------
>>>>> From: "Herb Parsons" <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Phillip,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting the diversity of responses Slim's cynical viewpoint
>>>>>> generated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My mother never finished high school. We were what most would call
>>>>>> "poor white trash", moving all over the country depending on who
>>>>>>
>>>> her
>>>>
>>>>>> husband was.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She finally bought a house about 2 years after my wife and I got
>>>>>> married (12 years ago).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did a bit better. Make about 90k a year, and even though i was an
>>>>>> adult before I bought my first house, it was before my kids were
>>>>>>
>>>> grown.
>>>>
>>>>>> My first married daughter and her fiancé bought their house 3
>>>>>>
>>>> months
>>>>
>>>>>> before their wedding.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure though, that it has little to do with working hard to
>>>>>>
>>>> improve
>>>>
>>>>>> your lot, and that of your children's, and more to do with living in
>>>>>>
>>>> a
>>>>
>>>>>> white man's world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, sure of it...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Herb Parsons
>>>>>>
>>>>>> S/V O'Jure
>>>>>> 1976 O'Day 25
>>>>>> Lake Grapevine, N TX
>>>>>>
>>>>>> S/V Reve de Papa
>>>>>> 1971 Coronado 35
>>>>>> Lake Pontchartrain, Louisiana Coast
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 3drecon at comcast.net 9/27/2006 4:09:30 pm >>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Slim,
>>>>>> Your comments are about as extremist as they come. Life isn't a
>>>>>> level playing field. We all have our hurdles and it is up to each of
>>>>>>
>>>> us
>>>>
>>>>>> to cross them. The promise of this country isn't equal outcome,
>>>>>>
>>>> rather,
>>>>
>>>>>> we all have the opportunity to achieve the zenith of our abilities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Philip
>>>>>> Son of immigrants who speak foreign languages (and English) but did
>>>>>> alright anyway!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -------------- Original message --------------
>>>>>> From: Slim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sorry if anybody is offended by any more measure than I was at
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the first
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> list that Elle posted. Truly, I'm a moderate, not an extremist,
>>>>>>>
>>>> but
>>>>
>>>>>>> extremist rhetoric from others brings out the beast in me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That said, white man's guilt or not, you have to admit there are
>>>>>>>
>>>> two
>>>>
>>>>>>> Americas--one for white men and one for everybody else. Not exactly
>>>>>>>
>>>> a
>>>>
>>>>>> level
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> playing field.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/27/06 3:15 PM, "Brad Haslett" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Slim,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I understand the reasoning behind some of your points. That
>>>>>>>>
>>>> doesn't
>>>>
>>>>>> mean I
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> agree with reasoning, or the points, I just understand the
>>>>>>>>
>>>> mindset.
>>>>
>>>>>> One area
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> where we most vehemently disagree is the white Anglo comment. I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> choose to be born white, male, or the son of a frequently
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> unemployed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> construction worker. That was fate, or whatever. I don't owe my
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> success,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> however modest, to pigmentation or the lack of it. In other
>>>>>>>>
>>>> words,
>>>>
>>>>>> if you
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> must suffer from white man's guilt, do so, but don't project it
>>>>>>>>
>>>> on
>>>>
>>>>>> me or
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> anyone else.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As to the flag, I can wait to sing the National Anthem at the top
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> of my
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> lungs in Beijing in two years with my daughter singing along and
>>>>>>>>
>>>> my
>>>>
>>>>>> wife
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> holding her hand over her heart.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/27/06, Slim wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, OK, I'd like to add a few too:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you continue to support the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> administration
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> no matter how many lies are crammed down our throats.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you go to church every Sunday
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>>> pray for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the destruction of others in the name of God.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you think all languages except
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> English
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> should be banned within our borders.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you're a white Anglo.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if you think only TRUE AMERICANS
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> adhere to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> list!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 9/27/06 8:00 AM, "Hank" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Great email, Elle. I'd only suugest one edit. Add "Remove your
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> hat" to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> part about the National Anthem. That's always been a pet peeve
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> of
>>>>
>>>>>> mine
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> see folks at a ball game not take off their hat.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/27/06, L. Sailor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Came across my email this AM. Makes one think about
>>>>>>>>>>> how those in the middle politically are being
>>>>>>>>>>> bullied by the ends of the spectrum.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> elle
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It is time to change from REDNECK humor to TRUE
>>>>>>>>>>> AMERICAN Humor! Only I don't see it as Humor, but the
>>>>>>>>>>> correct way to LIVE YOUR LIFE ! If you feel the same,
>>>>>>>>>>> pass this on to your True American friends. Ya'll
>>>>>>>>>>> know who ya' are...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: It never occurred to
>>>>>>>>>>> you to be offended by the phrase, "One nation, under
>>>>>>>>>>> God."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You've never
>>>>>>>>>>> protested about seeing the 10 Commandments posted in
>>>>>>>>>>> public places.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You still say
>>>>>>>>>>> "Christmas" instead of "Winter Festival."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You bow your head
>>>>>>>>>>> when someone
>>>>>>>>>>> prays.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You stand and place
>>>>>>>>>>> your hand over your heart when they play the National
>>>>>>>>>>> Anthem.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You treat Viet Nam
>>>>>>>>>>> vets with great respect, and alw ays have.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You've never burned
>>>>>>>>>>> an American flag.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You know what you
>>>>>>>>>>> believe and you aren't afraid to say so, no matter
>>>>>>>>>>> who is listening.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You respect your
>>>>>>>>>>> elders and expect your kids to do the same.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You might be a TRUE AMERICAN if: You'd give your last
>>>>>>>>>>> dollar to a friend.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you got this email from me, it is because I believe
>>>>>>>>>>> that you, like me, have just enough TRUE AMERICAN in
>>>>>>>>>>> you to have the same beliefs as those talked about in
>>>>>>>>>>> this email. This is Excellent, No Matter what you
>>>>>>>>>>> deem fit to call it. It is our Country, It is our way
>>>>>>>>>>> of LIFE, and I love it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> God Bless the U S A ! Git 'er done!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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