[Rhodes22-list] PHRF and get togethers

[Arthur H. Czerwonky]

Peter,
Sounds like a winner.
Art

-----Original Message-----
>From: Peter Thorn <pthorn at nc.rr.com>
>Sent: Apr 11, 2007 12:52 PM
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] PHRF and get togethers
>
>Dave,
>
>The basic assumption of PHRF is that all boats are sailed by expert skippers
>and that all boats are optimized for racing.  Think about that and let it
>sink in for just a moment...
>
>Local committees are tasked with the job of re-rating boats to adjust them
>for "local conditions", usually based upon the protests, requests or
>complaints of the losers,  to make everyone as happy as possible and to
>generate a general feeling that everyone has an equal chance to win on any
>given day.  It's a racing system that has more to do with political
>correctness and allowing all to participate than it does with determining
>who the best skipper is.  So it's possible that Roger P sailing in Arkansas
>could get down-rated to 240 and Bob Dilk could be rated 276 by NC PHRF and
>both ratings could be correct, although both had similar standard mast R22
>Continentals.  So if the boats aren't really equal and the skippers also
>aren't really both equally expert, it's got to be the rating that's going to
>give.  It's winning that kills you in PHRF.
>
>One-Design is a much better system, but, in most cases, it's more difficult
>to get everyone to show up with the same kind of boat.  Is anyone interested
>is starting up the Rhodes 22 one-design class association at US Sailing?
>
>-------------------------------------------------------
>
>It seems there is not a lot of interest from the disparate group of R22
>sailors on this board in all getting together in one spot at the same time.
>Why not let's have a bunch of regional meet ups?
>
>Elle could host the Lower Cheaspeake, Mary Lou and Fred could host the Upper
>Cheaspeake,  I would be happy to organize a trip from Blackbeard Sailing
>Club in New Bern to either Cape Lookout or Ocracoke, Kentucky Lake etc,
>Rummy's lake etc, etc. etc.   Each could advertize a date and see who comes.
>
>Is anyone interested in this idea?
>
>PT
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: <DCLewis1 at aol.com>
>To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:10 PM
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] More on GPS
>
>
>>
>> Wally,
>>
>> Re PHRF, I’m sure you’re right. To my knowledge you and PT are the boards
>> racing resources.
>>
>> I am confused about at least one thing, however.  Your post, and your
>recent
>> posts, re PHRF indicated it was necessary to declare what sails you were
>> using in getting a PHRF - for example you might declare a spinnaker and
>that
>> factor would go into your PHRF.  However, if you search the web there  are
>whole
>> classes of boats with announced PHRFs, and I’ve found at least  one site
>that
>> will let you compute a PHRF if you know the dimensions of your  boat and
>it’s
>> sail characteristics (I, J) - I assume they are using the standard  sail
>plan
>> for each boat when they make that calculation but I noted there was no
>> allowance for spinnakers, asymmetrical spinnakers, etc.  So is PHRF
>something a
>> committee awards you for a specific race based on what specific  sails you
>> declare you will be use for that race, or is it a number that is  derived
>from the
>> basic sail plan for the boat and can be cited, with caution,  for the
>entire
>> class of boats?  Or are there different types of PHRFs;  for example, a
>club
>> PHRF and a class PHRF?
>>
>> A lot of info on the web gives generic PHRFs - for example there might  be
>a
>> PHRF for a Ranger 23 or O'Day 19 - with no reference to specific  sails.
>Are
>> they all wrong?
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
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