[Rhodes22-list] On Don Imus

[Hank]

Beer, hell.  Give 'em a bottle of tequila!

Hank

On 4/15/07, bobmellor <rhmello at aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> i can feel the love ..   time for a beer.
> bob m
>
>
> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
> >
> > Dave,
> >
> > Between income taxes and watching my daughter blow bubbles in the back
> > yard,
> > I don't have a lot of time for this nonsense but I'll rip a few thoughts
> > off
> > before returning to more important things.
> >
> > Don't refer to Imus as "my boy".  I could give a shit about Imus - or
> you.
> > The only thing we have in common is we're both white, and I don't like
> all
> > white people.  You are correct, Imus is not the problem.  The reaction
> to
> > Imus is the problem.  Some crotchety old white guy tries to make a joke
> > using street jargon and it falls flat.  Who cares?  The race baiting
> > industry does, that is the problem.  If this is the worst thing these
> > girls
> > suffer in life they'll be fine. Whitlock has no obligation to follow
> some
> > ethnic line of reasoning any more than you or I do.  He's already being
> > called an Uncle Tom on some blogs.  That is shameful.  Frankly, I'm not
> a
> > big fan of lawsuits but I do hope the Duke 3 sue Nifong.  Now about that
> > whitey business community you speak of - they don't give a rats ass
> about
> > your color as long as you show-up on time, are sober, and put in a hard
> > days
> > work.  I'll hire Martians if they can meet those requirements.  Know
> any?
> >
> > It is time to go blow some bubbles instead of smoke.  Have a nice day!
> >
> > Brad
> >
> > On 4/15/07, DCLewis1 at aol.com <DCLewis1 at aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Brad,
> >>
> >> Thanks for your post, I enjoy your ducking and weaving.  I'm part
> of  the
> >> problem, huh?  Neither I nor you are remotely a factor in this
> >> Imus  problem.
> >> The Imus issue is going to be played out in the media and  possibly the
> >> courts -
> >> and trust me, nobody will give a tinkers damn what you and  I think
> about
> >> it.
> >> We are not part of the problem and we are not part of  the solution.
> >>
> >> You claim Sharpton and Jackson are racist demagogues.  Could be,
> I'm  not
> >> defending Sharpton and Jackson, although I will say that I think
> >> Sharpton  did
> >> the right thing in this specific matter.  I really haven't
> >> followed  Sharpton,
> >> and I'm probably as skeptical re Jackson as you are.
> >>
> >> You say no one on the list is defending Imus - yeah,
> right.  Every  other
> >> poster on this list has been trying to shift the subject from Imus back
> >> to  the
> >> black community by changing the subject. They've claimed:
> >> - Oh no, the  real problem isn't Imus the real problem is rap lyrics
> >> - Oh no, the real  problem isn't Imus the real problem is Sharpton
> >> - Oh no, the real problem  isn't Imus, its just entertainment
> >> - Oh no, real the problem isn't  Imus, the real problem is ......
> >>
> >> News flash: The problem is Imus.  Stop trying to change the
> subject  and
> >> take
> >> the heat off your boy.  There are a lot of problems in the
> >> black  community,
> >> there is no one "real" problem, all of the above are real
> problems,  and
> >> there is a long list of other real problems but the topical timely
> >> problem  on the
> >> table in this thread is Imus's gratuitous insult to a group
> >> of  accomplished
> >> young women who are doing all the right things to lead an  upstanding
> >> productive life.  Read the subject of the thread.  Stop  trying to
> >> rationalize what
> >> Imus has done.
> >>
> >> Your comment that black people don't have to march at Selma to have an
> >> opinion is completely off the wall.  Of course they
> don't.  I  explicitly
> >> acknowledged Whitelock couldn't have marched in the early civil  rights
> >> movement.  I
> >> explicitly acknowledged that he was entitled to his  opinion.
> >> Nevertheless,
> >> there are a whole lot of civil rights related things  he could have
> done
> >> over the
> >> past 40 years (his age as I recall),  but  read his vitae, there's
> >> nothin,
> >> absolutely nothin related to civil  rights. It's remarkable.  Seems to
> me
> >> this
> >> should cause reasonable  people to question who his column represents -
> >> himself,
> >> or the black  community.  I don't see any compelling reason to believe
> >> his
> >> opinions  represent anyone but himself - and frankly, while he's
> entitled
> >> to his
> >> opinion,  I don't care what his opinion is if it's not  representative.
> >> I
> >> would be very interested to know what leaders in the  black community
> and
> >> the
> >> black middle class think, but I see no reason to think  that he's tied
> >> into them
> >> at all.
> >>
> >> Re your rising opinion of Whitelock: Why am I not surprised?  I'm
> >> sure  his
> >> publisher likes his opinions to.  I expect the WSJ will pick him
> >> up  because
> >> they like his message.  But the key factor is not what the white  and
> >> business
> >> communities thinks, it's what the black community thinks - and I  have
> no
> >> idea
> >> what his standing is with them.  I suspect it's not very high,  but I'm
> >> not
> >> part of the black community.  When it comes to civil rights I'd  feel
> it
> >> was a
> >> lot more likely that he represented someone other than himself, or  the
> >> white
> >> business establishment,  if I saw he was active in black civil  rights
> >> programs and organizations, or if he were citing persons from
> >> those  organizations.
> >>
> >> As to the women from Rutgers that you admire - that's the first time
> >> anyone
> >> on this board has said anything positive about the young women involved
> >> with
> >> this fiasco.  Read the posts,  everyone, absolutely everyone, has
> >> ignored
> >> the
> >> impact of the event on the young women and has instead focused
> on  trying
> >> to
> >> move the focus off Imus and back on to the black community.  I  admire
> >> those
> >> young ladies to, I don't think they deserve all the crap that's  been
> >> dropped
> >> on them.
> >>
> >> Your comment that Imus is an ass is exactly on target, keep that
> >> thought.  Don
> >> 't get distracted with your opinions re Jackson or Sharpton, Kings
> >> womanizing, the role of entitlements, jihad, global warming, .....,
> read
> >> the  title of
> >> the thread, the focus is sharply on Imus.  We are in total  agreement.
> >>
> >> The advice you say you give to every community is exemplary.
> Incredible
> >> as
> >> it sounds I completely support your advice.  But I would add  one
> >> important
> >> thing to your advice: they should treat each person and  community with
> >> dignity
> >> and respect.  The dignity and respect issues are the  key issues
> lacking
> >> in
> >> this Imus affair.
> >>
> >> As for your advice that the ladies at Rutgers toughen up and face
> life  -
> >> you
> >> may be surprised, they may do just that.  My guess is that great
> >> American
> >> institution called The American Trial Bar is circling - vultures on
> >> the  wing,
> >> standby.  If at least one of the young ladies, or their parents,
> >> goes  along
> >> with them you might expect a slander/libel suit on their behalf.   File
> >> that
> >> suit in DC, Gary Ind, wherever, and watch what happens - people
> on  this
> >> list may
> >> not understand the difference between rappers calling women in  general
> >> whores and someone calling the child of Mr & Mrs xxxx, of Princeton  NJ
> a
> >> whore,
> >> but trust me, the courts will.  And Imus, CBS, and NBC will  hear the
> two
> >> happiest words that all businesses love to hear - punitive
> damages.  You
> >> may recall
> >> that a jury in Illinois hit Altria with $10B (yes B) punitive  award, I
> >> think
> >> in 03; let's see if that record stands if the Rutgers ladies  toughen
> up
> >> (your
> >> recommendation) and take the matter to a jury.  Seriously,  I would not
> >> expect a $10B award, but it could be a very large number.
> >>
> >> You want to understand the worried look on Imus's face this past week
> and
> >> why he traveled to meet with the team?  I think the corporate
> >> lawyers  have
> >> explained the above to him and the network CEOs.  Imus et al's
> only  hope
> >> is that
> >> the young ladies and the parents will drop the issue - if  they file
> >> charges,
> >> the ladies and their families are rich for life.  Let's  see what
> >> happens.
> >>
> >> Actually, it may have already happened.  I recall, Sharpton  brought
> Imus
> >> to
> >> his knees in less than 4 hours and Imus spent nearly a week  groveling
> >> apologies.  But I don't think for a minute that happened because  of
> the
> >> incredible
> >> respect Imus et al have for Sharpton, the NAACP etc, I  think it was
> >> their
> >> certain knowledge re what the American Trial Bar can do and  have done.
> >> I
> >> would
> >> not be surprised if the networks haven't already  offered the ladies
> >> compensation for their pain and suffering in exchange for  their
> >> signatures on
> >> hold-harmless documents and no more public  outcries.  I could be
> wrong.
> >>
> >> And I wouldn't mind the girls and their parents taking Imus et al to
> the
> >> cleaners.  The financial damage would begin to set clear limits,
> >> and  identify
> >> the risks, for shock-jocks and the networks that sponsor them.
> Clearly,
> >> the
> >> FCC has failed in this area for a long time.
> >>
> >> Finally, I say again, from my perspective the core issue in the Imus
> >> matter
> >> is not civil rights, it's decency.  You have no right to slander the
> >> women,
> >> children, or anyone, in my life, and I have no right to slander the
> >> women,
> >> children, or anyone,  in your life - people have been killed over
> >> this  issue.  I'
> >> m surprised there are adult men on this board that just don't get  it.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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