[Rhodes22-list] Visit to General Boats

[Arthur H. Czerwonky]

Caesar,
Do not accept Dave's apology, read every word.  Good advice.  You will be enhancing your boat every year as dollars and ideas begin to abound, and you'll enjoy.  If your budget constraints are tough, start well with the basics.  Like IMF, go for it for sure.  Having been there, I know you will not want to move an IMF between the coasts after you have had the boat delivered without an IMF.  RE staying on the boat in Dec, I'd be ready to cave in quickly and use Camp Spitzer - it's nice, and you'll never forget the incredibly aroma of those new boats in process at the plant.  Without question you will also enjoy every minute with Stan and Rose!
Art

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>From: DCLewis1 at aol.com
>Sent: Aug 20, 2007 12:58 AM
>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Visit to General Boats
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>
>Caesar,
> 
>Re your visit to Edenton in Dec:  It’s likely going to be cold in  Edenton in 
>Dec, are you really up for sleeping in an unheated boat for a couple  of 
>days?  Is your wife?  I think it can get down in the 30's at  night.  
> 
>To add to what Dave and Chris have already said about outfitting your boat.  
>With that budget and a trailer thrown in you may be pressed, so you might want 
> to choose carefully.  My thoughts and experience follow:
> 
>- Captain seats are nice, we use them sometimes, not often.  They are  kind 
>of a gee-whiz thing when company is aboard.  The capt seats required a  new 
>stern pulpit, posts drilled, drains installed, etc; mods aren’t  trivial.  You 
>might find they are costly.  Finally, when you don’t use  the capt seats they 
>take up considerable room in your V-berth.  You might  really like the capt 
>seats, I’m ambivalent (not negative, ambivalent).  I  recommend you try them out 
>and then decide.
> 
>- Cushions: As we evolve with our boat, we commonly don’t use the cockpit  
>cushions unless company’s aboard.  We started out using the cushions, but  we 
>find they are just another thing that can slide around and they aren’t a heck  
>of a lot more comfortable than the bare fiberglass benches.  Our boat works  
>fine without the cockpit cushions.  If you are going to go with the cockpit  
>filler bed, discussed below, you will need cockpit cushions in addition to the  
>filler bed cushions. If cost is an issue, you might just take whatever  
>reasonable cockpit cushions Gen Boats has and upgrade to better cushions later,  if 
>you find you need them.
> 
>Cabin cushions are a different matter, I think you have to have them -  
>although if you are getting a refurb check to be sure the cushions and covers on  
>the refurb won’t suffice for your purposes.   You may not need new  cabin 
>cushions.
> 
>- Bimini: We use our Bimini a lot.  We are using it more now than when  we 
>first got our boat, and I think our use of it will only increase.  If  you sail 
>in the hot sun a lot you will likely want a Bimini, and Gen Boats can  provide 
>it. 
> 
>- Re hatches.  We have one in the head and I think it’s essential to  the use 
>of the head.  The head is really a very constrained space unless  you’re a 
>small person.  The hatch lets you stand to adjust your apparel, or  whatever.  
>Also, that hatch allows ventilation in the cabin - which is  always useful.  
>Actually, we rarely open the hatch in the cabin, unless  someone is using the 
>head.  We haven’t found ventilation in the cabin to be  an issue because we 
>spend so little time in it.
> 
>Re the need or utility of 2 hatches in the cabin - I have no comment.   I 
>think 1 in the head is a really good idea.
> 
>- Compass: We use an Iris 100 (or something like that) that we purchased  
>after our boat was delivered, it’s large enough and easily mounted.  It’s  the 
>kind of compass you can easily mount yourself.  If you go with a large  
>bulkhead mounted compass you have to cut a hole in the bulkhead and that’s  probably 
>best left to General Boats.  Mounting a large bulkhead  compass means your 
>options to change or adjust your compass mounting are  limited - a lot of 
>fiberglass work to repair the large hole that was  cut  in the bulkhead, so consider 
>carefully what you want and where to place it if  you are going with a big 
>bulkhead compass.
> 
>If you are sailing on a river or lake, you may find you really don’t need a  
>compass - to start.  From my perspective, a compass is a steering aid used  to 
>steer a course.  On a lake or river you might steer via landmarks  (unless 
>there’s fog, rain, or darkness).  To deal with the  darkness/fog/rain 
>contingency you could carry a hand compass until your budget  got around to equipping 
>the boat with something more substantial.
> 
>Be aware there’s a school of thought on the list that says get the biggest  
>compass that will fit in the space available on your boat.  There’s another  
>school of thought on the list that says that same space you tie up with a large  
>bulkhead compass is prime leaning-back cockpit space, so use a slightly 
>smaller  compass mounted so that it doesn’t interfere with that leaning-back space. 
>  You need to decide for yourself, but if you go the way we did, you can get 
>the  compass after you get your boat and install it yourself, thus saving some 
> $.
> 
>- GPS: We have a handheld charting GPS and it works fine (it’s a Lowrance,  
>but I understand Garmin may be better).  We got it after we got the  boat.  Our 
>first sailing was daysailing, in fact most of our sailing is  daysailing, and 
>if you are in an area you know you don’t really need a GPS,  except that it 
>can tell you your speed.   For us a GPS wasn’t part of  the initial boat 
>outfitting.
> 
>If you get a chart plotting GPS, I think you’ll find you use it for  
>navigating more than you use your compass.  The compass is a steering aid  that lets 
>you hold a bearing.  If you’re not on familiar water, a GPS tells  you what 
>bearing to steer and how far away you are from your way point or  destination - 
>and your speed.  If you get a hand held GPS, it’s a purchase  you can delay.  
>If you want a GPS that’s mounted on your boat,  then  Gen Boats with it’s 
>fabrication capabilities may be your choice.
> 
>- VHF/radio/antenna: If you are ever going to want a mast mounted VHF radio  
>antenna, it might be best to have Gen Boats install the antenna, radio, and  
>cabling.  This entails putting a connector through your cabin ceiling  (fiber 
>glassing) and running a cable in the cabin and another cable down your  mast.  
>I think Gen Boats can do it better than I could, you have to  evaluate your 
>skill set in making a determination re letting Gen Boats do it, or  your doing 
>it.  
> 
>Our antenna/cabling is on the fritz after 1 year (it went on the fritz  
>within less than a year) and I have found that a handheld VHF works just  fine.  
>The handheld is handier, cheaper, and much easier to  maintain.  Actually, I 
>think our cell phones are more useful than the  marine VHF. On the Chesapeake bay 
>we are never more than a couple miles from  land and I have yet to have a 
>cell phone coverage drop out - but it may  happen.  The advantage of a marine VHF 
>is that we can get weather  advisories, monitor the emergency channel, and it’
>s a backup to the cell phone;  a handheld suffices.
> 
>But, if you think you will ever want a mast mounted antenna, I recommend  you 
>let Gen Boats put it in.  I’m sure there are range advantages to having  a 
>mast mounted antenna and that may be useful when sailing Puget Sound.  I  think 
>a hand held VHF will work great for rivers and lakes.
> 
>- Marine head: Again there are divided opinions on the list.  Some  people 
>say go with a porta-potti, other’s say go with a marine head.  If  you are going 
>to be sailing from a mooring, the marine head may be easier and  more 
>convenient than hauling a porta-potti on and off the boat.  If you’re  sailing from a 
>slip or trailer, either might work. The porta-potti will avoid  one through 
>hull connection and a seacock - both of which could become  maintenance issues. 
> The marine head itself and associated plumbing needs  maintenance from time 
>to time, and sometimes replacement(expensive); I gather  porta-pottis need 
>maintenance every time you use your boat - i.e. have to take  it off board and 
>empty it , but are probably cheaper and easier to maintain than  marine heads. 
>The marine head/holding tank will hold more “stuff” than a  porta-potti will, 
>that could be important if you envision long cruises with no  landings - most 
>people don't sail that way.  One possible drawback to a  marine head is that 
>you need access to pumpout facilities to make it work, if  you’re trailer 
>sailing from isolated ramps, or your back yard, you may come up  short regarding 
>pumpout facilities.  You need to think it through in terms  of your sailing 
>profile.  Marine heads and porta-pottis both work, the  porta-potti might be 
>cheaper, but it may take up more room in the head and there  are all the other 
>advantages & disadvantages I’ve identified above.   Again, I’ve never owned a 
>porta potti. 
> 
>- Electric lift for your OB: With your budget you may not need it, it’s a  
>convenience.
> 
>- Tiller/OB linkage: If you are going to be motoring in constrained spaces  
>(e.g. marina fairways), I recommend you go for it.  If you are not going to  be 
>motoring in constrained spaces, you may not need the linkage.  The  linkage 
>significantly  improves maneuverability, but it will constrain  your choice of 
>OB because you will have to be able to attach a linkage yoke to  any OB you 
>purchase (note: the OB you will get from GenBoats will have that  yoke, the 
>problem will be your next OB, that you may not get from  GenBoats).  
> 
>- Cockpit filler bunk: If you’ve got the budget, and you expect to be  
>sleeping out on your boat, I’d say go for it.  But this is one of those  things you 
>can add after you get your boat.  You might want to get your  boat, do some 
>sailing, and then come back to Stan about the cockpit  filler.  It does let you 
>sleep under the stars, and it does give you a much  bigger bed with better 
>ventilation.  However, it also takes up space, the  cushions are hard, and it’s a 
>fair weather thing (unless you throw in Arts Boom  Room).  Actually, you 
>could likely sleep on the cockpit benches, but the  cockpit filler bed gives you a 
>lot more room to spread out.  Or you can  sleep in the cabin or V-berth(I’m 
>not sure anybody actually sleeps in their  V-berth, maybe their kids do) and 
>forget about sleeping under the stars  etc.  The cockpit filler bunk is one of 
>those options you can get later. 
> 
>- Anchors: You can get more anchors after you get your boat, I recommend  you 
>focus on other issues with Gen Boats.  Our boat came with 1 Danforth  type 
>anchor mounted on the bow pulpit and that was a good start. 
> 
>- Mast hoist assembly: If you’re getting a trailer, I suspect that means  you 
>intend to trailer, which means you will be setting up and striking your mast  
>from time to time.  If you believe the wisdom of this list, the mast hoist  
>system is almost essential in that regards. Trailer=> mast hoist  system.
> 
>- Get the IMF.
> 
>- Consider new sails.  If new sails won’t fit in your budget  initially, you 
>may want to get new sails soon after.
> 
>Re a trailer: Consider your sailing profile carefully.  If you are  going to 
>keep your boat at a slip
>or mooring, you may not need a trailer  initially, or at all.  If you find 
>you do need a trailer, you can get it  later and that will alleviate budget 
>constraints in the interim.  Don’t  forget, the decision to get a trailer requires 
>decisions regarding a vehicle  that can tow that loaded trailer.  Trailer and 
>vehicle maintenance, tags,  taxes, storage, etc will be a continuing headache 
>for you in terms of your free  time and $.  Do you really need them 
>initially?  Maybe you do.
> 
>I suspect Stan will suggest you focus on the boat as opposed to a trailer  
>and a lot of options.  He did with us.  We came back wanting a lot of  options, 
>although we did skip the trailer.  In retrospect, I think Stan got  it right - 
>we probably have more options than we need.  Trust Stan, he’ll  steer you 
>straight.
> 
>Finally, in your post you said you were going to be sailing on lakes and  
>rivers and Puget Sound.  I suspect that most of us start with grander  sailing 
>plans than we actually realize in our first few seasons.  I suspect  most of us 
>have local sailing haunts that we frequent often - particularly while  we are 
>getting to know the boat and improving our sailing skills.  You  might 
>consider initially getting the boat appropriate for your local sailing  haunts and 
>then adding capability over time as your sailing profile increases -  this 
>addresses any budgetary constraints.  For example, you might not be  trailering to 
>Puget Sound the first year or 2, so you can up-grade over time to  deal with 
>sailing on the Sound and just concentrate initially on sailing on your  local 
>lake/river.  Or I could be wrong and you really might have concrete  plans to 
>trailer to the Sound, in which case you may need a trailer, the mast  mounted 
>antenna, etc .  You know your needs.
> 
>I apologize for the length of this post, but I hope this helps.
> 
>Dave
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