[Rhodes22-list] Global Warming - Mike W, just go (Political reply) (Big Al may delete)

[Ronald Lipton]

II went to a seminar yesterday by Roger Barry, Director of the National 
Snow
and Ice Data center.  He was not a very good speaker and his slides seem to
have been buried under the ice for some time, but there were a few points
that he made. 

- There is a well documented 100,000 year glacial cycle, in addition to 
several
shorter term cycles. 

- There are also smaller ~10,000 year glacial cycles

- The causes of the various cycles are not all understood, although 
orbital variations
can contribute.  The fact that these cycles exist led scientists to 
worry about the
sensitivity of the climate to relatively small stimuli.

- The snow and ice cover on Greenland represents about 7.5 m sea level 
increase. 
Antarctica 56.8 meters.

- Albedo (the reflectivity of snow and ice) plays a major role in the 
climate system,
accelerating cooling and warming trends.  Snow cover also plays a 
significant
role in local climate, steering high level winds around the edges of the 
pack.

- There is a significant amount of methane trapped in the permafrost. 
Methane is a
much more effective greenhouse gas than C02.

I just found a very nice site from the American Institute of Physics:
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/
which puts the work in a historical context.

Ron


john Belanger wrote:
> greenland was discovered by vikings after iceland. the leader of the viking expedition wanted to colonize the newly dicovered land. he had had a hard time getting settlers to go to iceland because it was called iceland. so in order to get settlers to go the longer distance to the new land, he called it greenland. sorry, i can't give you a source for that story!?!?
>
> michael meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com> wrote:  I think GW is miss named, it should be called, global discooling, take
> Greenland for example, want to bet it was warmer when it was named, And when
> I was traveling I always noticed the ancient port ruins where always 20-30
> feet above the water level, interesting...............
> -mjm
>
>
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> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 4:26 PM
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>
> Ed,
>
> I have read your postings, well most of them, anyway. While I am not 
> looking for political alignment on the topic of GW (nor even GwB), it would 
> be nice to determine if GW is indeed occuring and if so, is it something to 
> be concerned with. Of course, this begs the question "Is there really 
> anything that I can do about it?" Several arguments concerning alternate 
> fuels (corn ethanol) have been made indicating that while they may reduce 
> dependence on foreign oil they do little for GW. In addition, several 
> discussions concerning electric vehicles, particularly the real cost of 
> battery manufacture, transportation and eventual disposal indicate that 
> their usage may not make good environmental sense.
>
> Mike
> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> From: "Tootle" Wednesday, December 19, 2007 3:51 PM
>   
>> Mike W:
>>
>> Just go back and reread all my post referencing Global Warming over the 
>> last
>> year. Captain Rummy has yet to tell me how the Vikings caused the ice
>> covering their farms in Greenland after 1000 A. D. Yes the ice is melting
>> today, yes it is getting a little warmer, but is this the first time??? 
>> Al
>> Gore gets a prize from the lefty media, but his portrayals are just not
>> accurate. Yes the carbon is building up in the atmosphere, but should the
>> USA alone return its standard of living to that of the middle ages or
>> earlier?
>>
>> Stop and get more facts and more accurate data. Find real alternatives to
>> fossel fuels that are better. As Captain Haslett has pointed out, the 
>> cost
>> of the ethenol fuels, exceeds their benfits. I will not accept Gore's
>> arrogant and shallow analysis as the truth.
>>
>> Capitalism has bettered mankind. It has made possible a better standard 
>> of
>> living for more than any socialist system. If you believe that socialism 
>> is
>> the best alternative for mankind, go spend a few weeks in the former 
>> Soviet
>> Union. John Edwards is a socialist bent on destruction of America.
>>
>> Ed K
>> Greenville, SC, USA
>> Freedom of speech does not allow ludicrous assertions to be promulgated as
>> truth, but the liberal media does.
>> -- 
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