[Rhodes22-list] Stan's 27 foot hull design -- need Captain Crawford!

[stan]

Ed,

You know I love you even if I am from the foreign country of Brooklyn but 
let me correct a few innocent incorrect issues:

I own this design exclusively and outright.  I commissioned and paid Haydn 
Gozzard to design the hull as close as reasonable to capture the sailing 
characteristics of the Rhodes 22   The initial work was done in my factory 
on Long Island.  I designed the deck which is merely a stretched out version 
of the 22 and the cockpit area is identical to the 22.

The plugs were built in Canada by Gozzard at a tiny facility covered by 
snow.

A mold was made of the deck and of a deck liner and pop top hatch, all of 
which I schlepped to NC.  I also picked up the first hull part made from the 
hull mold but never got back to pick up the hull mold.

Gozzard liked the way the deck looked but felt the freeboard I had asked for 
was too much and we were debating whether we should go for a lower shape. 
He is racing minded and I was thinking of the ladies in my research who said 
they must have a hot water shower.  The project ended in the deep freeze due 
to time and money and Rhodes 22 business needs considerations and has 
languished in our NC back building .

Gozzard came by one day and showed me pictures of a sailing trawler he built 
with his own deck design.   (I would never have said his deck design was 
"s...)  He had cut down the hull freeboard and I thought it an interesting 
idea and that maybe GB would distribute them in the US.  Later he decided to 
sell direct and while I might have a legal case since he is using my hull 
mold, I am not inclined to give him a hard time.  If his name was to turn 
out to have value we can legally say the boat was designed by him.

And yes, our 27 would have IMF and may be able to use our current dies.  It 
would make for a proportionally smaller main but we test sailed the boat 
using a Rhodes 22 set up and it flew.

ss

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tootle" <ekroposki at charter.net>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 7:20 PM
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's 27 foot hull design -- need Captain 
Crawford!


>
> Stan's 27 foot hull design.
>
> As you all are aware Phil Rhodes designed the Rhodes Continental which
> evolved into the Rhodes 22.  Stan has stories to tell about his lawsuits
> protecting the design.
>
> This hull that you are discussing is not designed by a naval architect, 
> but
> that does not stop some protection of its design.  The issue would be who
> own's the design.  As I pointed out earlier,
> http://www.scorpioyachts.ca/trawler.html  is the hull designer and maker.
> To complicate the issue would be that they used the mold that they made to
> make some hulls which they sell as trawler sailors.  They do not use 
> Stan's
> deck.  Stan did not use the following word, but has indicated that their
> deck design is shitty.
>
> Now this hull has been around for some years as Captain Rummy has pointed
> out.  There is a law affecting the hull shape.  See:
> http://www.copyright.gov/vessels/
>
> Now we need Captain Crawford to explain this law to us.
>
> And this law does not apply to nor negate any patents in the design.
>
> To add to the discussion, Stan had a lady in his office try to send the
> picture direct to me.  His computer said that it sent the picture.  Well, 
> it
> never came here.  I suspect that it is a huge bit map image and needs to
> converted to jpg format.  So we all await Captain Rummy getting the cd and
> converting the image so that all can see.
>
> For the record many of us have walked around Stan's baby in the back
> building.  Probably a dozen or so have offered to buy it from Stan.  Stan
> has been waiting all this time for the interest shown this past week.
>
> The biggest issue would be to make molds.  Stan has not told us how much
> molds for a 27 foot boat would costs.  You need hull molds, deck molds,
> various interior molds.  Then what about a IMF mast.  Is it planed to put
> the R22 IMF mast on the yacht?  That would make a puny main sail.  So how
> much for a new die to make a bigger mast to handle the sail you'll would
> want?  Then back to the design boards for the IMF innerds.  Another award 
> in
> the making?  See: http://www.manus.igus.com/testimonials.htm (page down
> until you see 9.9 motor)
>
> And then there is the labor of putting this all together.  But that is the
> next story.
>
> Ed K
> Greenville, SC, USA
>
>
>
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