[Rhodes22-list] Harken Lazy Jack

[TN Rhodey]

Bill,

Well I may be wrong here .....I guess it would depend upon how much smaller 
the sail is verses the extra weight of mast. Way back when (on the sailnet 
list)  there was discussion about this. In my opinion even if the mast 
weighed the same you still might need to reef sooner with IMF. Pure 
speculation on my part and I will admit I may be totally wrong.

The R22 is small enough to be quite sensitive to subtle changes in weight 
and trim adjustments. You pay a price with IMF in mast weight, sail cut, no 
downhaul, no cunnungham, no battens (except for the new rev). If you know 
how to use all these controls you can create a much flatter sail. You would 
be surprised at the difference adding a vang made even with IMF. I could 
still flatten the sail  enough to make a big difference ...sailing much 
flatter, fast, and higher into the wind.

Everything is a trade off and for me the pros for IMF are well worth any 
cons.


Wally


>From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Harken Lazy Jack
>Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:02:30 -0500
>
>Wally,
>
>Why would a smaller sail need to reef sooner?
>
>Bill Effros
>
>TN Rhodey wrote:
>>Joe, There are some performance trade offs with IMF. The sail is smaller 
>>and I would think an IMF R22 would need to reef sooner but I am just 
>>guessing. That extra weight aloft must have some effect on balance.
>>
>>Wally
>>
>>>From: Joseph Hadzima <josef508 at yahoo.com>
>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Harken Lazy Jack
>>>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:45:37 -0800 (PST)
>>>
>>>I've seen some other cool sail systems, some with sail
>>>covers so you only need to zip it closed. Several replace
>>>the slot in the main with a track system so even a kid
>>>could hoist the main, and it drops into right into the sail
>>>cover.
>>>
>>>A BIG advantage of the IMF (I believe) is the unlimited
>>>reef points. Another is that is remains protected in the
>>>mast during transport.
>>>
>>>I've only heard one mild complaint that the IMF mast is
>>>thicker, and thus hinders pointing performance a little,
>>>but like Stan says there are trade-offs ... unlimited easy
>>>to set reef points, or slightly better pointing with the
>>>possibility you'd need to bring down the main completely
>>>because you couldn't depower enough.
>>>
>>>
>>>And I only had a minor problem with lazy Jacks where one of
>>>the lines got wrapped around part of the sail, and we had
>>>to lower and raise it again. But this was aboard a 65 foot
>>>Schooner with gaft. So it was a little more trouble than
>>>if it was a Rhodes with lazy jacks :-)
>>>
>>>Speaking of the A28 video ... I like the piston powered
>>>Hoyt Jib boom for down wind sailing .. very nice feature.
>>>Notice it's a working Jib and NOT 175 gennoa!
>>>
>>>
>>>--- "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > While viewing the AE28 video, I was impressed with the
>>> > ease with which the owner was handling the main. He was
>>> > using a Harken Lazy Jack system (installation manual at
>>> > http://www.harken.com/pdf/4058.pdf.) At West Marine, the
>>> > small Harken Lazy Jack is about $200.
>>> >
>>> > Has anyone ever used the Harken Lazy Jack on an R22 main
>>> > sail? Does it interfere with boom movement? Does it jam
>>> > easily?
>>> >
>>> > I know, with IMF, you have no need for it. I still
>>> > haven't been able to justify the cost of the new IMF mast
>>> > & hardware on our R22.
>>> >
>>> > I was just thinking that the Lazy Jack looked
>>> > interesting. Maybe run the control lines (downhaul &
>>> > halyard) back to the front of the cockpit, next to the
>>> > pop-top, opposite to Genoa furling line. Comments?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Mike
>>> > s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
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