[Rhodes22-list] Wheels vs. Tillers
elle
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Sun Feb 18 09:31:58 EST 2007
b,
>How many times have YOU single-handed an R-22 with a
> wheel?
More than you.
elle
--- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> L.
>
> How many times have YOU single-handed an R-22 with a
> wheel?
>
> To quote Rummy "GB gave you what you wanted, but I
> don't like it and I
> would never, ever sail from that stern seat."
>
> B.
>
> elle wrote:
> > Hey, Bill,
> >
> > How many times have you sailed an R-22 with a
> wheel??
> >
> > The wheel in the center moves you away from the
> >
> >> lines you must
> >> manipulate. Now you can't properly single hand
> >> anymore.
> >>
> >
> > That's crap.
> >
> > elle
> >
> > --- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Jb
> >>
> >> Forget the wheel. That will set you back even
> >> farther.
> >>
> >> elle has special needs.
> >>
> >> The boat was designed for a tiller.
> >>
> >> The wheels look "sexy" but they're a pain to use.
>
> >> The center location
> >> is wrong. (Ever notice that the big racing boats
> >> now have 2 wheels--one
> >> on either side) -- they are mechanically complex,
> >> you must be able to
> >> see over them so you can't sit as low as you
> should
> >> -- most of the time
> >> you have to stand.
> >>
> >> The wheel in the center moves you away from the
> >> lines you must
> >> manipulate. Now you can't properly single hand
> >> anymore.
> >>
> >> Tell your wife you'll learn to sail the boat so
> it
> >> won't heel--but that
> >> you need a tiller to do it.
> >>
> >> If you get even the slightest resistance, ask
> your
> >> wife which way she
> >> thinks she should turn the wheel to back up to
> >> starboard. Please
> >> understand, this is not a sexist question. I
> don't
> >> know the answer
> >> myself. What I do know is that if I get it wrong
> >> with a tiller (which I
> >> do roughly 50% of the time) I can immediately see
> >> that I got it wrong
> >> and flip the tiller to the other side. If I get
> it
> >> wrong with a wheel,
> >> it takes much longer to see my mistake and
> attempt
> >> to correct it.
> >> Pandemonium ensues if it turns out my boat was
> being
> >> blown the wrong way
> >> by the wind, and the rudder was properly set all
> >> along.
> >>
> >> Bill Effros
> >>
> >> PS -- Try to change the subject lines whenever
> you
> >> change the subject.
> >> This makes it much easier for digest people to
> >> follow the thread.
> >>
> >> JbTek wrote:
> >>
> >>> We went with the intention of going on a
> flotilla
> >>>
> >> on our own boat, (with a
> >>
> >>> captain) for a much needed learning experience.
> >>> Somehow that fell thru, scheduling problem they
> >>>
> >> said. That trip was inteded
> >>
> >>> to expidite this whole adventure,
> >>> I think it set me back.
> >>>
> >>> Jb
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
> >>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> >>>
> >> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 11:12 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] reefing
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> The Caribbean is one of my least favorite
> sailing
> >>>>
> >> places. It is often
> >>
> >>>> too windy for safe sailing of small boats by
> >>>>
> >> people who have seldom
> >>
> >>>> sailed before. The big boats need that much
> wind
> >>>>
> >> to ensure you can sail
> >>
> >>>> every day. Too many jerks who don't know what
> >>>>
> >> they are doing.
> >>
> >>>> An R-22 would be perfect for those waters, but
> >>>>
> >> the only boats available
> >>
> >>>> tend to be either bigger or smaller.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Bill Effros
> >>>>
> >>>> JbTek wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> My wife & I spent 5 days at Cub Colona in
> >>>>>
> >> Antigua. We got on a Hobiecat
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>> and
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> capsize first thing outa the gate.
> >>>>> I faced some fear that day.
> >>>>> We did right the boat & sail back in but go
> out
> >>>>>
> >> much after that, it was
> >>
> >>>>> pretty windy.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jb
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Joseph Hadzima" <josef508 at yahoo.com>
> >>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> >>>>>
> >> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>
> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 9:40 AM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] reefing
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Jb
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I hope I'm not stepping out of bounds here ..
> >>>>>>
> >> but I do have
> >>
> >>>>>> one unsolisited suggestion (don't you just
> hate
> >>>>>>
> >> advice when
> >>
> >>>>>> you don't ask fo it).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I suggest you rent a little dinghy or Sunfish
> >>>>>>
> >> at a nice
> >>
> >>>>>> lake somewhere. Then you and your first mate
> go
> >>>>>>
> >> out and
> >>
> >>>>>> practice capsizing. You gotta get wet once,
> so
> >>>>>>
> >> you don't
> >>
> >>>>>> let the fear make decisions for you with your
> >>>>>>
> >> own boat.
> >>
> >>>>>> The Rhodes may be unsinkable, but I believe
> >>>>>>
> >> Rummy has
> >>
> >>>>>> managed a knock down or two - and can give
> you
> >>>>>>
> >> the details.
> >>
> >>>>>> I was crew on a keel boat when the new
> skipper
> >>>>>>
> >> did a gybe a
> >>
> >>>>>> little too quickly in heavy air and managed
> to
> >>>>>>
> >> fill the
> >>
> >>>>>> cockpit about 1/2 way with very cold water!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> My wife was a little scared at first, but got
> >>>>>>
> >> comfotable
> >>
> >>>>>> enough so she likes to go fast these days.
> >>>>>>
> >> She's the one
> >>
> >>>>>> that will "burry the rail" if given the
> chance.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Address the fear issues soon (read as
> practice,
> >>>>>>
> >> and take
> >>
> >>>>>> lessons), so you'll have enjoyable sailing
> for
> >>>>>>
> >> many more
> >>
> >>>>>> years.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> just my $0.02 or is that .002 in Verizon
> >>>>>>
> >> money?
> >>
> >>>>>> --- JbTek <j.bulfer at jbtek.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ed,
> >>>>>>> I've only read about reefing. I've been
> >>>>>>>
> >> sailing 3 times,
> >>
> >>>>>>> 2 of those in very
> >>>>>>> light wind. What got me hooked was one of
> >>>>>>>
> >> those times was
> >>
> >>>>>>> on a 47' Beneteau
> >>>>>>> and they let me take the wheel just outside
> >>>>>>>
> >> San Diego
> >>
> >>>>>>> harbor. When we caught
> >>>>>>> a gust of wind you could just feel the power
> >>>>>>>
> >> drive you
> >>
> >>>>>>> forward. We heeled
> >>>>>>> over some & the wife got very nervous. I
> >>>>>>>
> >> couldn't tell
> >>
> >>>>>>> you if we were reefed
> >>>>>>> or not. I can tell you I see the benefits of
> >>>>>>>
> >> IMF and I
> >>
> >>>>>>> believe she will
> >>>>>>> insist on it.
> >>>>>>> I know the R22 has lots of features, I
> >>>>>>>
> >> would want to
> >>
> >>>>>>> know if you could
> >>>>>>> not have them all, which would take
> priority.
> >>>>>>>
> >> The obvious
> >>
> >>>>>>> from where I sit,
> >>>>>>> IMF & the swivel chairs look comfortable.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What does a sail weigh? I think Rummy said
> the
> >>>>>>>
> >> mast only
> >>
> >>>>>>> weighs 16lbs.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jb
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: "Tootle" <ekroposki at charter.net>
> >>>>>>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 5:10 AM
> >>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Roller Reefing on
> >>>>>>>
> >> Rhodes
> >>
> >>>>>>> Continental?
> >>>>>>> Luis?JayBulfer?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Luis and Jay:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> One reason why Rhodes 22s are different is
> >>>>>>>
> >> that a certain
> >>
> >>>>>>> nautical engineer
> >>>>>>> was always tinkering with the boats as they
> >>>>>>>
> >> were being
> >>
> >>>>>>> built. Could it be
> >>>>>>> that in 1975 that elusive nautical innovator
> >>>>>>>
> >> was
> >>
> >>>>>>> experimenting on what was
> >>>>>>> to become your boat with the known
> technology
> >>>>>>>
> >> of boom
> >>
> >>>>>>> roller reefing? Boom
> >>>>>>> roller reefing does allow battens and weight
> >>>>>>>
> >> of sails is
> >>
> >>>>>>> maintained lower.
> >>>>>>> Humm? Tinker, tinker at 4 AM?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ed K
> >>>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
> >>>>>>> Addendum for Jay if he is still here:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> â?oReefing means reducing the area of a sail
> >>>>>>>
> >> without
> >>
> >>>>>>> actually changing it for
> >>>>>>> a smaller sail. Ideally reefing does not
> only
> >>>>>>>
> >> result in a
> >>
> >>>>>>> reduced sail area
> >>>>>>> but also in a lower center of effort from
> the
> >>>>>>>
> >> sails,
> >>
> >>>>>>> reducing the heeling
> >>>>>>> moment and keeping the boat more upright.â??
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> â?oIn-boom roller-reefingâ?? is accomplished
>
> >>>>>>>
> >> â?owith a
> >>
> >>>>>>> horizontal foil inside the
> >>>>>>> boom. This method allows for standard- or
> >>>>>>>
> >> full-length
> >>
> >>>>>>> horizontal battens.â??
> >>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailing
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But an earier version of boom reefing had
> the
> >>>>>>>
> >> whole boom
> >>
> >>>>>>> turn and wrap the
> >>>>>>> sail on the outside of the boom. There were
> >>>>>>>
> >> wooden booms
> >>
> >>>>>>> that could do that.
> >>>>>>> I would also point out that there are/were
> >>>>>>>
> >> rotating mast
> >>
> >>>>>>> to achieve reefing.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> View this message in context:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >
>
http://www.nabble.com/Roller-Reefing-on-Rhodes-Continental--Luis-Jay-Bulfer--tf3244499.html#a9019180
> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive
> >>>>>>>
> >> at
> >>
> >>>>>>> Nabble.com.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>
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> >>
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>
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> >>
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> >
> >
> > We can't change the angle of the wind....but we
> can adjust our sails.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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