[Rhodes22-list] An inconvenient reality.

[Brad Haslett]

Ron,

My favorite scientist (Dr. Dipshit) lost his funding and his job, and I
lost a renter.  Fan's other geophysics scientist friends still can't predict
earthquakes but they do have lots of theories.

Bill,

We just returned from a weekend at Mom and Dad's.  I've had my quota for the
year of the former and didn't see any of the latter in my hometown.

Brad


On 12/30/06, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>
> Brad hangs out mostly with Christian Scientists.
>
> Bill Effros
>
> Ronald Lipton wrote:
> > I hang out with a many scientists from all over the world, and I echo
> > Chris's
> > comments.  Scientists, as any set of people have their
> > political beliefs.  But any good scientist places experiment and
> > evidence before political considerations.  Science is a human
> > endeavor, and there is bias in many interpretations. However
> > he only way to really succeed as a scientist (that is, produce good,
> > lasting, science) is to try to honestly evaluate the evidence and
> > follow where it leads. You know that the correct theory or
> > interpretation will eventually come out - the quality of the
> > scientific tools advances so rapidly that screw-ups or even outright
> > dishonesty do not last very long.
> >
> > Brad, do you hang out with many current scientists?
> >
> > Ron
> > On Dec 29, 2006, at 6:38 PM, Brad Haslett wrote:
> >
> >> Chris,
> >>
> >> You don't hang out with many current scientists.  Do you?
> >>
> >> Brad
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/29/06, Geankoplis <napoli68 at charter.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Brad wrote:  The bulk of the 'scientists' are of the same political
> ilk
> >>> and
> >>> are hardly objective.
> >>>
> >>> Come on Brad, you cannot be a scientist and maintain something that
> >>> is not
> >>> based on fact.  You can provide a theory (careful, note this word has
> a
> >>> different meaning in science than in common vernacular, the same as
> >>> "gas"
> >>> a
> >>> state of matter- and "gas something you put in your car). A theory
> >>> must be
> >>> based on facts and legitimate data and it must have a predictive
> >>> value.  If
> >>> you have a stock broker do you keep him because he is a political
> >>> ally or
> >>> do
> >>> you keep him because he consistently predicts which stocks are
> >>> winners and
> >>> losers?  Saying politics influences 99% of scientist is like saying
> >>> politics
> >>> determines how you fly your plane, and what laws of physics apply to
> >>> you
> >>> and
> >>> not someone else.  Based on the predictive abilities of the
> politicians
> >>> who
> >>> denied the existence of global warming "nothing will happen, there
> >>> will be
> >>> no increase in temps, no increase in weather disruptions, and no
> >>> change in
> >>> glaciers, v.s. the mainstream scientist who accurately predicted what
> >>> would
> >>> happen.  With the accuracy of their data and technology increasing
> >>> their
> >>> predictions and models are even better, I'll put my trust in the
> >>> scientist.
> >>> I don't give a damn what their politics are, if the vast majority of
> >>> scientist are in basic agreement then I'll be willing to listen and
> >>> act.
> >>> You ask what we can do and then offer an absurd suggestion of
> >>> abandoning
> >>> everything to the radical Muslims. Come on this is America, we can
> >>> solve
> >>> almost anything if we really want to and work together not to just
> >>> protect
> >>> our special privileges and not to always expect someone else to give
> up
> >>> something so we don't have to.
> >>>
> >>> Chris G
> >>> -----Original Message---- have to-
> >>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
> rhodes22-list-bounces@
> >>> des22.org] On Behalf Of Brad Haslett
> >>> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 8:25 AM
> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] An inconvenient reality.
> >>>
> >>> Rummy,
> >>>
> >>> This sort of thing has been happening for eons.  If a scientist from
> >>> mainstream academia points this out he/she will be booed off the
> >>> lectern
> >>> because it doesn't fit into the current funding stream.  It may have
> >>> happened due to global warming, or not.  Global warming may be real,
> or
> >>> not.  If it is real, it may be caused by man or nature. It could be a
> >>> natural cycl-a state  (remember the Ice Age?). The whole issue is so
> >>> clouded
> >>> by the
> >>> political climate that rational discussion of the subject is
> >>> difficult if
> >>> not impossible.  The bulk of the 'scientists' are of the same
> political
> >>> ilk
> >>> and are hardly objective.
> >>>
> >>> Let's assume global warming is real, and the cause is mankind.  What
> to
> >>> do?
> >>> Maybe we can just let the radical Muslims have their way and move the
> >>> whole
> >>> planet back to the 7th century.  There's always the issue of donkey
> >>> gas to
> >>> deal with but maybe it is easier to handle than the 5.9 liter engine
> >>> in my
> >>> Dodge pickup.  I dunno, and neither do these "experts".
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps I've hung around educated idiots too much.  I'd be a lot more
> >>> impressed if they could pour piss out of a boot without reading the
> >>> instructions printed on the heel.
> >>>
> >>> Brad
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 12/29/06, R22RumRunner at aol.com <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > _http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16390346/_
> >>> > (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16390346/)
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