[Rhodes22-list] Watermusic and size and Joe and ....

[Joseph Hadzima]

Rummy 

I agree 110% that "stuff" happens! Perhaps I was "thinking"
more in terms of an acidental gybe, where YOU set up the
conditions and understand the probability exists, compared
to a sudden knock down during a routine tack (yes I've over
simplfied). 

I miss-understood your usage of the term uncontrolled.
Since you sail your boat to the extreme limits, then I'd
expect a higher probability of knock downs, and broaching. 
I guess I was thinking "completely unexpected" toss about
the cockpit from a tiny puff, when you wrote
"uncontrolled"; rather than a "somewhat expected" full
cockpit after an aggressive gybe in heavy air.

sorry if I caused any spilled rum :-)

As for ending up under the lee seat - that is the problem
with the Flying Scott!  No their not the same boat, but the
other boats we've rented or used at the club are keel boats
(J80 has a 5.5 ft), Sonar23, J22, & J24.  Paula & I are not
thrilled with the handling of either the Flying Scott is
medium to heavy air.  the J22's boom is a little low for
me, and isn't a very comfortable boat (IMHO).  The Flying
Scott is appears very tippy and will toss the crew about
(also IMHO).  

Since our day sailing experience is on boats with deeper
fin keels, and the Rhodes is a shoel draft keel with
centerboard, I was a little concerned that she may not
handle the way we like. To paraphrase Stan, I want to sit
in the cockpit with the tiller in hand and be able to say I
love you.


--- R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:

> Josef,
>  
> Please keep in mind that I am a charter member of the R22
> extreme sailing  
> team. Whenever possible, I will take my boat out in
> conditions most sane and  
> sober people wouldn't think of going out in. I like to
> bury the rails ( and keep 
>  them buried) and I always drink massive quantities of
> rum. Always. I like 
> loud  music and young women as crew, preferably in
> Bikini's and able to speak 
> French. 
> I am one of the first on the list to lay a R22 over on
> her side, mast in  
> water, get her back up and continue sailing. We lost two
> rum and cokes and a  
> pack of cig's that day. We pumped fifty gallons of warm
> lake water out of the  
> cabin and enjoyed the rest of the day. Please keep in
> mind that this was after 1 
>  1/2 bottles of rum had been consumed.....the big
> bottles, and winds in the 
> 20 to  25 mph range. When I say that things can happen
> fast, it's probably 
> because of  the manner in which I sail.  It's just the
> way I am. I really enjoy  
> sailing.
> Now, that having been said, the same thing can happen to
> a cautious sailor.  
> I always prepare for the worst possible scenario.  I'm
> sure that even Bill,  
> who likes to sail flat, has been tossed about the cockpit
> by a gust of wind. I  
> think all R22 owners have ended up under the lee seat at
> one time or  another.
>  
> Rummy
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