[Rhodes22-list] Reply to Slim (Politics - Government 101)

[Steven Alm]

Ed,

I expected a snotty reply from you, of course.  Have you seen/read the news
this week or not?  Cheney claims he can keep all the secrets he wants
because he's not part of the executive branch but rather the congressional
because he decides ties in the Senate.  At the same time he evokes executive
privilege.  Brad would have us believe this is some sort of liberal media
spin.  It's not.  Just ask John Stewart or Stephen Colbert--these are the
real facts.

As for Iraq, why is it so hard for conservative to see that this is an
unwinable conflict?  Is it because they like to say there are lots and lots
of good things happening out there that are not being reported by the
liberal slant?  Talk about denial!  How many times recently have you seen
retired military commanders come on TV and condemn what's happening over
there?  Is that spin too?  I don't remember another time with so much open
defiance among top leaders.

And as for Government 101, Ed, Last I heard our government is supposed to be
a Republic and not a Dictatorship.  That means we get to decide.  Do you
think it's just spin when the media reports how low public support is for
this president and his handleing all this?  Apparently a lot of otherwise
reasonable people think that counts for nothing.  This administration is
completely ignoring the bulk of the country, the congress and top military
advisers, and most other free countries and doing whatever it damn well
pleases.

Slim

On 6/26/07, TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ed, I guess maybe we should define "boss". In my way of thinking the
> "boss"
> is the person(s) who can fire you. The only way to "fire" the VP is
> impeachment. It requires votes from both the House and Senate. First only
> a
> member of the House can initiate impeachment; this can be done without
> existing indictment. From there it goes to Judiciary Committee and then to
> House (requires majority) vote.The VP presides over no-executive
> impeachment
> proceedings in the Senate. The Chief Justice would preside over Pres and
> VP
> impeachments.The Senate needs a 2/3 vote. The Senate can not initiate
> impeachment proceedings. The VP is not his own "boss" in that the
> President
> can't certainly decide to force the VP out for "party" interests. All
> elected officials work for us the humble tax payers. It is interesting to
> note that originally the VP was the runner up in the Presidential
> election.
> It is pretty obvious why this didn't last long.
>
> AC race 3 just started!
>
> Wally
>
> On 6/26/07, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Slim:
> >
> > I appreciate that you were a music major in college(?).  However, a
> course
> > in government is in order.  You might just pick up a copy of the U. S.
> > Constitution and study it going to your next gig.
> >
> > The Office of Vice President of the U. S. is a Constitutional
> Office.  It
> > is
> > not beholding or at the beckoning of Congress, but rather the Vice
> > President
> > sits as head of the Senate.
> >
> > This is a question of who is boss?   And if you read the U. S.
> > Constitution
> > it does not say that Congress is the Vice President's boss.  And if you
> > read
> > further, regarding the Executive Branch, it does not say the President
> is
> > his boss either.  Hum, does this mean that in routine or ordinary
> matters,
> > as long as they are not criminal he is his own boss?  Yup.
> >
> > In conclusion, unless he has committed a criminal act for which he is
> > indictable, and I would point out that Fitzgerald did not find that,
> then
> > Congress can say all they want, but really are wrong.  They collectively
> > need to read the U. S. Constitution.
> >
> > After you read the U. S. Constitution, will you cite specifics to
> > substantiate your view.
> >
> > Ed K
> > Greenville, SC, USA
> > Addendum:  Political Cartoon:
> > http://www.nabble.com/file/p11304089/times%2B%25237.bmp times+%237.bmp
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