[Rhodes22-list] Racers vs Cruisers

Fri Mar 9 07:46:41 EST 2007

jw - I agree with you....but I know others don't. When I was a kid sailing a 
Sunfish in Mission Bay I loved to sail past big expensive sail boats. Some 
boats change tack to avoid a duel. For me I like to see how my boat compares 
and if I am getting blown away by a boat that is supposed to be slower I try 
to figure out what they are doing differently....Wally

>From: Jim White <lemenagerie22 at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Racers vs Cruisers
>Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 14:15:24 -0800 (PST)
>
>huh.
>   I must live in the land of "canvas testosterone".....
>   Even the cruisers are always competing...whether they think they are or 
>not.....
>   8-)
>   Cheers
>   jw
>
>Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>   No, Jim,
>
>That's what racers call more than one sailboat in the same area.
>
>Cruisers call it annoying.
>
>Bill Effros
>
>Jim White wrote:
> > Of course.....
> > You know what they call more than one sailboat in the same area?
> > ......A race!
> > ;-)
> > jw
> >
> > Bill Effros wrote:
> > Lee,
> >
> > I think Hank has hit the nail on the head.
> >
> > What the racers say is true--if you are aiming for a specific point, and
> > you are sailing a specific course that is designed to include upwind,
> > downwind, and reaching legs over a short period of time, constantly
> > adjusting the centerboard is critical.
> >
> > I think it's important to know how to do this, and to learn from it when
> > you are cruising. But, if all you are doing is cruising, once you know
> > you can get back to any location on sail power alone, you don't have to
> > sail in uncomfortable directions--it's a lot less fun. Also, if your
> > boat is located in places where there is somewhere to go, you will
> > usually choose to sail in a reaching direction at the beginning of your
> > outing, and sail back on a reach if the wind has not shifted.
> >
> > Cruisers learn to raise and lower their motors more than their 
>centerboards.
> >
> > Bill Effros
> >
> > Hank wrote:
> >
> >> Lee,
> >>
> >> You may be going faster with the centerboard up, but you will not be
> >> making
> >> better time toward your target due to sideways drift. I big function
> >> of the
> >> centerboard is to prevent the boat from drifting sideways when 
>reaching.
> >> The only time a centerboard is not really needed is when sailing down
> >> wind.
> >> Of course, it doesn't really matter if you are not trying to get to a
> >> specific destination such as when racing. If you don't care about the
> >> drift, then leave it up.
> >>
> >> Hank
> >>
> >>
> >> On 3/8/07, KUHN, LELAND wrote:
> >>
> >>> Bud,
> >>>
> >>> I've only sailed the Rhodes for a year, so I hope I'm not giving you 
>bad
> >>> advice.
> >>>
> >>> If I want to point into the wind as much as possible, I'll put the
> >>> centerboard all the way down. I'll also use the traveler and inside
> >>> leads to flatten the sails. I've found that it's rare that I need that
> >>> extra five degrees into the wind to get to where I want to go.
> >>>
> >>> The centerboard can be used as a depth finder, but even with the soft
> >>> mud bottom of the Chesapeake, you never know what you're going to hit.
> >>> At the very least it will knock off your bottom paint.
> >>>
> >>> The centerboard acts as a pivot point, allowing you to make sharper
> >>> turns. Don't really need it for tacking but could come in handy
> >>> motoring around the marina. The boat turns sharp enough for me without
> >>> the board down.
> >>>
> >>> Depending on your point-of-sail, wind, waves, and current; the
> >>> centerboard will help balance the boat and take pressure off the 
>tiller.
> >>> I notice this really helps if I have too much sail out. I usually
> >>> adjust the sails to balance the boat.
> >>>
> >>> As a newbie, I constantly check my speed to see what works best in all
> >>> conditions. I have put the board up and down in every condition, and I
> >>> am convinced that the drag from the centerboard will always slow you
> >>> down. In most cases, I believe the centerboard's ability to keep you
> >>> sailing in a straight line doesn't make up for the decrease in speed. 
>I
> >>> might be wrong on that last statement.
> >>>
> >>> In my limited experience, the centerboard is a tool that you rarely 
>need
> >>> and will slow you down. I guess what surprised me was that most boats
> >>> sail fastest on a close reach, due to the opposing pressures from the
> >>> sails and keel (squeezing a watermelon seed analogy). On a close reach
> >>> with a Rhodes, you will still go faster with the centerboard up.
> >>>
> >>> If it sounds like I know what I'm talking about, reread the first
> >>> sentence. :)
> >>>
> >>> Lee
> >>> 1986 Rhodes22 At Ease
> >>> Crab Alley (Kent Island, MD)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Peter Thorn [mailto:pthorn at nc.rr.com]
> >>> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 6:18 AM
> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CenterBoard Angle
> >>>
> >>> Bud,
> >>>
> >>> I'll add my 2 cents, in short: upwind all down, downwind all up.
> >>>
> >>> The Rhodes has a very light, balanced helm. With a large (175) 
>headsail
> >>> and
> >>> smaller (not-newer vertical battened) main there can be a tendancy to
> >>> leeward helm in light air. As the boat heels when the breeze picks up
> >>> this
> >>> is mitigated. So with the sailplan center of effort (CE) forward (the
> >>> rig
> >>> described above) the underwater fin's center of lateral resistance
> >>> (CLR),
> >>> which can be adjusted by the centerboard, also needs to be as forward 
>as
> >>> possible.
> >>>
> >>> Another of the many advantages to having a centerboard is that you can
> >>> change the CLR while underway by adjusting the board. In heavier air,
> >>> when
> >>> you would expose less area on the headsail going to windward, you can
> >>> balance by raising the centerboard just a little.
> >>>
> >>> PT
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Mary Lou Troy"
> >>> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:42 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CenterBoard Angle
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Bud,
> >>>> I think it's just about vertical. Unless you are sailing in a very
> >>>> weedy area, I don't think having the pennant exposed is a problem.
> >>>> It's just as likely to get fouled by growth in the slot. Our's seems
> >>>> to stay cleaner the more we use it. We always pull the board up at
> >>>> anchor or when we leave the boat in the slip but sailing upwind it is
> >>>> always down as far as it will go. As Wally said, as we move off the
> >>>> wind we start pulling the board up.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mary Lou
> >>>> 1991 R22 Fretless
> >>>> Rock Hall, MD
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> At 08:39 PM 3/7/2007, you wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Thanks to all who responded! Mary Lou - when you say all the way
> >>>>> down, you mean the CB is nearly vertical?
> >>>>> Do you run into any problems with the pennant line or sheaves
> >>>>> exposed in that running configuration?
> >>>>> I had thought the sheaves might get "gunked up" if they were 
>exposed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks again,
> >>>>> Bud
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mary Lou Troy wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Bud,
> >>>>>> Fretless is a 1991. We usually sail with the board all the way
> >>>>>> down. Exceptions are downwind or very shallow water.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mary Lou
> >>>>>> 1991 R22 Fretless
> >>>>>> Rock Hall, MD
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> At 09:35 PM 3/6/2007, you wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Rummy,
> >>>>>>> I have a 1990 R22, and I am pretty sure I do not have a "diamond"
> >>>>>>>
> >>> board.
> >>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>> -Bud
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Bud,
> >>>>>>>> It depends on what year and centerboard design you have?
> >>>>>>>> Rummy
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >
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