[Rhodes22-list] Sail Plan Changes

Fri Nov 2 18:42:59 EDT 2007

Brad,
Maybe this is more along your thought lines:

http://www.frankhagan.com/weekender/tendjib.htm

http://www.harken.com/rigtips/selftack.php

http://www.bwsailing.com/01articles/issue/0307/bwb_hanse_400.htm

http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=0.8&TOPIC_ID=15673&#116070

And for an exceptionally interesting 23 foot boat 
take a look at this Hunter (UK) complete with self tacking jib.
http://www.yachtsnet.co.uk/archives/hunter-horizon-23/hunter-horizon-23.htm

Best
Mary Lou

At 08:55 AM 11/2/2007, you wrote:
>PT,
>
>About once a month I find myself price checking Alerion 28's on
>Yachtworld.com, and yup, they're still expensive. They have got to be the
>sexiest and most graceful looking sail boats built.  The single biggest
>drawback for me is that they draw over four feet, nearly as much as mine.
>My home sailing waters would double in size at three feet draft or less.  If
>I could figure out how to install a Hoyt Jib Boom on the S2 I would.  I'm
>thinking more along the lines of "Jed Clampet" engineering - cheap but
>effective.
>
>Brad
>
>On 11/2/07, Peter Thorn <pthorn at nc.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > Brad,
> >
> > Self tacking jibs are pretty cool.  You want easy tacking?  Check these
> > out-
> >
> >
> > http://alerionexpress.net/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/ae20broadband
> > .
> > swf
> >
> > PT
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Brad Haslett
> > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 7:16 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Plan Changes
> >
> > Elle,
> >
> > Your $.02 worth may rule the day. After thinking about it some more I'm
> > loathe to change the original sail plan. The only reason I or anyone else
> > needs to stand while under sail is for me to get to the genoa
> > winches.  They
> > are located forward of the wheel which means for every tack I have to
> > leave
> > the helm if the genny out while single-handing or short-handed, which is
> > always.  Since my home waters is a curving river, I have to tack often.
> > What I've thought about is jury rigging some type of self-tending jib and
> > furl the 135% jenny to 100% and live with the less than optimum sail shape
> > (speed is not a primary concern).  Anyone have a photo of Stan's that I
> > can
> > use to steal his intellectual property?
> >
> > Brad
> >
> > On 10/31/07, elle <watermusic38 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > my  2¢
> > > You could walk around on your knees...
> > >
> > > Sometimes short has it's advantages...;^)
> > >
> > > elle
> > >
> > > --- Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ok, boys and girls, put your thinking caps on!
> > > > Here's the deal, the sails
> > > > rep I've been visiting with has a 9.2C just like
> > > > mine that he raised the
> > > > boom 10 inches on for better headroom (mine is about
> > > > 5' 11 1/8 inches above
> > > > the cockpit which gives me 1/4 inch to play with
> > > > versus getting whacked
> > > > while standing up).  He also shortened his boom
> > > > length 21 inches which I
> > > > really don't want to do.  He says the boat handles
> > > > better, has less weather
> > > > helm, and the center of effort moves forward.  Other
> > > > than the obvious loss
> > > > of sail area (less than 5% by my calculations) what
> > > > can be anticipated in
> > > > changes of handling characteristics? He (the rep)
> > > > says it moves the center
> > > > of effort forward and the boat is more stable based
> > > > on his experience.
> > > >
> > > > Now this from Stan's site: *Lowering the boom,
> > > > automatically lowers the sail
> > > > inside the mast, which in turn lowers the center of
> > > > effort of the sail,
> > > > therefore increasing the stability of the boat
> > > > without cutting sail area.
> > > > In fact, boat speed actually increases slightly by
> > > > lowering the boom.
> > > >
> > > > *Can we assume then that raising the boom will
> > > > decrease stability and if so
> > > > by what margin?  What is your experience? Loss of
> > > > speed is not an issue with
> > > > me. Everytime I think about these things I get a
> > > > headache.  I'm sure Stan
> > > > could answer this in about 2 seconds but I'm afraid
> > > > he'd want a donation for
> > > > his experience.  That greed thing again.  I'm hoping
> > > > someone can think this
> > > > through and give an informed opinion at a reasonable
> > > > cost.  Like free!
> > > >
> > > > Brad
> > > > *
> > > >
> > > > *
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