[Rhodes22-list] Sail Plan Changes

Fri Nov 2 20:01:43 EDT 2007

Mary Lou,

Thanks, the first diagram is the closest to what I had in mind.  This will
take some study but is obviously doable.  What kind of sail form you get has
yet to be determined but we're seeking simplicity for short-handed
situations here, not max efficiency.

Brad

On 11/2/07, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
>
> Brad,
> Maybe this is more along your thought lines:
>
> http://www.frankhagan.com/weekender/tendjib.htm
>
> http://www.harken.com/rigtips/selftack.php
>
> http://www.bwsailing.com/01articles/issue/0307/bwb_hanse_400.htm
>
>
> http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=0.8&TOPIC_ID=15673&#116070
>
> And for an exceptionally interesting 23 foot boat
> take a look at this Hunter (UK) complete with self tacking jib.
>
> http://www.yachtsnet.co.uk/archives/hunter-horizon-23/hunter-horizon-23.htm
>
> Best
> Mary Lou
>
>
>
>
> At 08:55 AM 11/2/2007, you wrote:
> >PT,
> >
> >About once a month I find myself price checking Alerion 28's on
> >Yachtworld.com, and yup, they're still expensive. They have got to be the
> >sexiest and most graceful looking sail boats built.  The single biggest
> >drawback for me is that they draw over four feet, nearly as much as mine.
> >My home sailing waters would double in size at three feet draft or
> less.  If
> >I could figure out how to install a Hoyt Jib Boom on the S2 I would.  I'm
> >thinking more along the lines of "Jed Clampet" engineering - cheap but
> >effective.
> >
> >Brad
> >
> >On 11/2/07, Peter Thorn <pthorn at nc.rr.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Brad,
> > >
> > > Self tacking jibs are pretty cool.  You want easy tacking?  Check
> these
> > > out-
> > >
> > >
> > >
> http://alerionexpress.net/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/ae20broadband
> > > .
> > > swf
> > >
> > > PT
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Brad Haslett
> > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 7:16 AM
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Plan Changes
> > >
> > > Elle,
> > >
> > > Your $.02 worth may rule the day. After thinking about it some more
> I'm
> > > loathe to change the original sail plan. The only reason I or anyone
> else
> > > needs to stand while under sail is for me to get to the genoa
> > > winches.  They
> > > are located forward of the wheel which means for every tack I have to
> > > leave
> > > the helm if the genny out while single-handing or short-handed, which
> is
> > > always.  Since my home waters is a curving river, I have to tack
> often.
> > > What I've thought about is jury rigging some type of self-tending jib
> and
> > > furl the 135% jenny to 100% and live with the less than optimum sail
> shape
> > > (speed is not a primary concern).  Anyone have a photo of Stan's that
> I
> > > can
> > > use to steal his intellectual property?
> > >
> > > Brad
> > >
> > > On 10/31/07, elle <watermusic38 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > my  2¢
> > > > You could walk around on your knees...
> > > >
> > > > Sometimes short has it's advantages...;^)
> > > >
> > > > elle
> > > >
> > > > --- Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Ok, boys and girls, put your thinking caps on!
> > > > > Here's the deal, the sails
> > > > > rep I've been visiting with has a 9.2C just like
> > > > > mine that he raised the
> > > > > boom 10 inches on for better headroom (mine is about
> > > > > 5' 11 1/8 inches above
> > > > > the cockpit which gives me 1/4 inch to play with
> > > > > versus getting whacked
> > > > > while standing up).  He also shortened his boom
> > > > > length 21 inches which I
> > > > > really don't want to do.  He says the boat handles
> > > > > better, has less weather
> > > > > helm, and the center of effort moves forward.  Other
> > > > > than the obvious loss
> > > > > of sail area (less than 5% by my calculations) what
> > > > > can be anticipated in
> > > > > changes of handling characteristics? He (the rep)
> > > > > says it moves the center
> > > > > of effort forward and the boat is more stable based
> > > > > on his experience.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now this from Stan's site: *Lowering the boom,
> > > > > automatically lowers the sail
> > > > > inside the mast, which in turn lowers the center of
> > > > > effort of the sail,
> > > > > therefore increasing the stability of the boat
> > > > > without cutting sail area.
> > > > > In fact, boat speed actually increases slightly by
> > > > > lowering the boom.
> > > > >
> > > > > *Can we assume then that raising the boom will
> > > > > decrease stability and if so
> > > > > by what margin?  What is your experience? Loss of
> > > > > speed is not an issue with
> > > > > me. Everytime I think about these things I get a
> > > > > headache.  I'm sure Stan
> > > > > could answer this in about 2 seconds but I'm afraid
> > > > > he'd want a donation for
> > > > > his experience.  That greed thing again.  I'm hoping
> > > > > someone can think this
> > > > > through and give an informed opinion at a reasonable
> > > > > cost.  Like free!
> > > > >
> > > > > Brad
> > > > > *
> > > > >
> > > > > *
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> sails.
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