[Rhodes22-list] Global Warming Scam

[Ronald Lipton]

Brad,  attacking a complex argument is something that is difficult to do 
in a e-mail list. 
Over the last two years we have had a seminar series with several 
speakers from
Argonne, BP, NCAR (Nat. Center for Atmospheric Research), and Princeton on
various aspects of the the issue.  They are all available online if you 
are interested.
Talks by Warren Washington of NCAR and Steve Koonin (chief scientist at 
BP) are especially
interesting.  The science is reasonably solid, but we are talking about 
modeling a complex system
and there is some (diminishing) room for error.  I would say that the 
number of scientists
on the negative side is becoming quite small.

http://www-ppd.fnal.gov/EPPOffice-w/colloq/colloq_04_05.html

But establishing the science is the easy part.  The Koonin lecture gives 
a nice overview of
the technical options.  I am pretty pessimistic that much can be done to 
change the momentum
of economic development and oil consumption.  More conservation and less 
dependence
on petroleum may help, but it is almost certain that all of the 
hydrocarbon fuel that is
out there will be burned sooner or later, probably sooner.  Nuclear 
power will need to
increase independent of the carbon problem.  It is still small likely to 
be small compared
to hydrocarbons.  One important step is to recognize that coal will 
become an increasing
component of the fuel mix and plan to build cleaner plants in the future 
with possible carbon
sequestration. 

Just be glad you own a boat.

Ron

Brad Haslett wrote:
> Ron,
>
> Oldest trick in the debating handbook: if you can't attack the argument,
> attack the opponent.
>
> There are plenty of scientists on both sides of the argument.  Only one side
> gets constant press.  But, let me play devils advocate here.  So Global
> Warming is real, what now?  Give us some concrete solutions.  More nuclear
> reactors?  I've said that for years.  Scrub carbon emissions from coal?  The
> market is way ahead of both of us.  High sulfur coal is now profitable
> because it is cheaper to pay for scrubbers than paying for transportation of
> low sulfur coal from the far west.  Smaller cars with outstanding fuel
> mileage?  I'd buy another diesel VW in a heartbeat.  What the hell do the
> Global Warming zealots want?  Just tell me!  Hell, I might support Al Gore
> despite being a fake just because he's doing more good than harm.
>
> Just tell me.  What am I (and you) supposed to do?
>
> Brad
>
> On Nov 8, 2007 8:12 PM, Ronald Lipton <rlipton at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>   
>> Is this the same John Coleman who was the pompous weatherman in chicago
>> in the
>> 80's? You trust a television weatherman over the opinions of the VAST
>> majority of
>> real scientists?   It is a scientific question but a statement like  "I
>> have studied. I have
>> thought about it. I know I am correct. " What bullshit.  No scientist
>> would make
>> a statement like that.   We know what the evidence tells us with some
>> probability.
>> There is strong evidence that the globe is warming.  Models say that it
>> is probably
>> due to co2 - but the models may be incomplete or inaccurate.
>>
>> I never liked Coleman.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>     
>>> Coleman is the founder of the Weather Channel.  Brad
>>>
>>> ----------------------------
>>>
>>> *By John Coleman*
>>>
>>> It is the greatest scam in history. I am amazed, appalled and highly
>>> offended by it. Global Warming; It is a SCAM. Some dastardly scientists
>>>       
>> with
>>     
>>> environmental and political motives manipulated long term scientific
>>>       
>> data to
>>     
>>> create in allusion of rapid global warming. Other scientists of the same
>>> environmental whacko type jumped into the circle to support and broaden
>>>       
>> the
>>     
>>> "research" to further enhance the totally slanted, bogus global warming
>>> claims. Their friends in government steered huge research grants their
>>>       
>> way
>>     
>>> to keep the movement going. Soon they claimed to be a consensus.
>>>
>>> Environmental extremists, notable politicians among them, then teamed up
>>> with movie, media and other liberal, environmentalist journalists to
>>>       
>> create
>>     
>>> this wild "scientific" scenario of the civilization threatening
>>> environmental consequences from Global Warming unless we adhere to their
>>> radical agenda. Now their ridiculous manipulated science has been
>>>       
>> accepted
>>     
>>> as fact and become a cornerstone issue for CNN, CBS, NBC, the Democratic
>>> Political Party, the Governor of California, school teachers and, in
>>>       
>> many
>>     
>>> cases, well informed but very gullible environmental conscientious
>>>       
>> citizens.
>>     
>>> Only one reporter at ABC has been allowed to counter the Global Warming
>>> frenzy with one 15 minutes documentary segment.
>>>
>>> I do not oppose environmentalism. I do not oppose the political
>>>       
>> positions of
>>     
>>> either party. However, Global Warming, ie Climate Change, is not about
>>> environmentalism or politics. It is not a religion. It is not something
>>>       
>> you
>>     
>>> "believe in." It is science; the science of meteorology. This is my
>>>       
>> field of
>>     
>>> life-long expertise. And I am telling you Global Warming is a non-event,
>>>       
>> a
>>     
>>> manufactured crisis and a total scam. I say this knowing you probably
>>>       
>> won't
>>     
>>> believe a me, a mere TV weatherman, challenging a Nobel Prize, Academy
>>>       
>> Award
>>     
>>> and Emmy Award winning former Vice President of United States. So be it.
>>>
>>> I have read dozens of scientific papers. I have talked with numerous
>>> scientists. I have studied. I have thought about it. I know I am
>>>       
>> correct.
>>     
>>> There is no run away climate change. The impact of humans on climate is
>>>       
>> not
>>     
>>> catastrophic. Our planet is not in peril. I am incensed by the
>>>       
>> incredible
>>     
>>> media glamour, the politically correct silliness and rude dismissal of
>>> counter arguments by the high priest of Global Warming.
>>>
>>> In time, a decade or two, the outrageous scam will be obvious. As the
>>> temperature rises, polar ice cap melting, coastal flooding and super
>>>       
>> storm
>>     
>>> pattern all fail to occur as predicted everyone will come to realize we
>>>       
>> have
>>     
>>> been duped. The sky is not falling. And, natural cycles and drifts in
>>> climate are as much if not more responsible for any climate changes
>>> underway. I strongly believe that the next twenty years are equally as
>>> likely to see a cooling trend as they are to see a warming trend.
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