[Rhodes22-list] Mid-air collision (News)

[Michael D. Weisner]

Brad,

The following story was featured in the local LI paper, Newsday (and all of the news services.)
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/suffolk/ny-liplan1022,0,1982244.story

Looking at the pix,
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2007/10/22/planes.collide.in.midair.news12longisland ,
it seems unbelievable that nobody was injured in the air or on the ground.

A few more details at http://www.liveatc.net/forums/index.php?topic=3774.msg21511

Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY

Two small planes collide over LI, nobody injured
  BY STEVE RITEA AND CHRISTINE ARMARIO | steve.ritea at newsday.com
  christine.armario at newsday.com 9:09 PM EDT, October 21, 2007
Two single-engine planes landed safely after "bumping" each other about five miles outside Republic Airport in Farmingdale early Sunday evening, officials said, causing no injuries but dropping a small piece of debris in Dix Hills.

It was around 6:15 p.m. that a Piper Saratoga and a Cessna 152 collided, said airport director Michael Geiger. The Saratoga lost about 8 to 12 inches off the tip of its wing, said Gary Lewi, an airport spokesman who characterized the collision as a midair bump. A fuel tank inside that wing was punctured, Lewi said.

The damaged section of the Saratoga's wing is called the aileron, which helps the plane turn, Geiger said.
The Saratoga was registered to Sidhu Karmendra of Locust Valley, who said he was the pilot but declined to comment. The Cessna was registered to AADH Inc. of Wilmington, Del., according to the Federal Aviation Administration. The pilot's name was not available.

The Cessna had damage to its windshield and wing, Lewi said.

One passenger was flying with Karmendra in the Saratoga, Geiger said, and the Cessna pilot did not have any passengers.

Both planes took off earlier in the day from Republic, where they are based, and were headed back there when the bump occurred, Lewi said.

Lewi said Karmendra reported he was "totally in control all the way" back to the airport, where emergency crews met the flights and sprayed foam on some leaked fuel from the Saratoga.

The airport's operations were not shut down as both planes landed on one of Republic's two runways, Lewi said.

Dix Hills Fire Chief Larry Feld said a 4- or 5-pound landing light was found in the front yard of a home still under construction in the Stoneridge Estates development. No injuries were reported there, he said, and authorities were searching for other aircraft debris.

Geiger said he was unsure whether either pilot had been in contact with the control tower at the airport.

Arlene Salac, a spokeswoman for the FAA, said both planes were flying under "visual flight rules," which means pilots rely primarily on their sight when flying and are not required to file flight plans.

Salac said the FAA and the National Transportation Safety Board were investigating the collision.


From: "Brad Haslett" <flybrad at gmail.com> Thursday, October 25, 2007 3:47 PM
> Slim,
> 
> Much too do about nothing!  NASA has had a reporting process for years where
> pilots could anonymously report problems without fear of certificate action.
> I've use it several times.  This telephone poll was no different. Really
> serious problems get run up the flag pole at the union level.  If you want
> to worry about something, worry about all the things the TSA hides that
> we're powerless to do anything about.
> 
> Brad
> 
> On 10/25/07, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Brad,
>>
>> You probably saw the report this week from NASA about all the safety
>> concerns that apparently are much worse than the public knows.  So much so
>> that they refused to release the info for fear of panicking the public and
>> costing the airlines gobs of money in lost revenue.  Some one privy to the
>> report sited many more bird strikes, more near miss mid-air collisions,
>> more
>> near miss ground collisions, etc.  They collected most of the data
>> interviewing pilots.  Have you found this to be the case?  Frequent fliers
>> want to know.
>>
>> Slim
>>
>> On 10/25/07, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hank,
>> >
>> > They keep the engines spooled.  If you notice, they were flying at flaps
>> > 22
>> > to keep the speed down.  Anything more than 22 the jet automatically
>> > retracts the flaps to keep from overstressing them and you get a
>> constant
>> > horn without the gear down.  I'm guessing they're doing about 150 knots
>> at
>> > the dump. Not only is FOD a problem but I wonder how much engine life
>> they
>> > get running all that soot through the compressor section.  We were on
>> > break
>> > when I met them so we only got to visit for about 15 minutes.  They were
>> > an
>> > interesting bunch.  I'm happy to stick with moving rubber dogshit from
>> > point
>> > A to point B.
>> >
>> > Brad
>> >
>> > On 10/25/07, Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Brad,
>> > >
>> > > That is insane!  With the jet engine power lag, I would think that
>> would
>> > > be
>> > > an extremely dangerous way to make a living!  What about FOD flaming
>> out
>> > > the
>> > > engines?  Is that a risk?
>> > >
>> > > Hank
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 10/25/07, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > I met these guys last year while teaching in our old DC-10 sim in
>> > Miami.
>> > > > They're nuts!  Brad
>> > > >
>> > > > http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1a7_1193165376
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