[Rhodes22-list] Electronics

Tue Apr 1 10:54:58 EDT 2008

Stan,
Here's a better solution, just give all the optional equipment away free.  
That certainly would make the R22 a better value.

Rummy

In a message dated 4/1/2008 8:07:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
stan at rhodes22.com writes:

In  defense of GB's stance on options - Rose will tell you I am never wrong  
(or at least that I never admit I am wrong)

You have to understand  the options position from the selling side of the 
field.  Buyers come  to us with budgets.  Perhaps they do not expect us to 
take them  seriously but we do.  If you can afford the best way to go with  
everything, we are for it.  What we have to avoid, for the well being  of 
both buyer and seller, is the buyer wanting everything and pricing him  or 
herself out of being able to afford a Rhodes, costing GB a sale and the  List 
a new member; a lose, lose, lose option.

ss, op (optional  salesman)

all apologies accepted

----- Original Message -----  
From: "Tom Bickerstaff" <tabick at mchsi.com>
To: "'The Rhodes 22  mail list'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008  5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electronics

> Thanks,  PT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:  rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>  [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Peter Thorn
>  Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 5:25 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail  list'
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]  Electronics
>
>
>
> Three years ago an experienced  delivery Captain and his young crew 
> perished
> in the Neuse  River while delivering a new 35' boat to the Miami boat show.
> The  Coast Guard station at Cherry Point was only 5 miles away, but all 
>  they
> had on board was a hand-held VHF.  The investigation  afterwards revealed 
> the
> Coast Guard could not hear the weaker  signal from their hand-held VHF to 
> pin
> point their  location.  Had they a fixed mount VHF with a (higher) mast
>  mounted antenna, they might be alive today.
>
> Tom, I would  rethink that built-in antenna.
>
> PT
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From:  rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>  [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy
>  Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 5:02 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail  list
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electronics
>
>  Tom,
> I am one of the people that disagrees with Stan and Lee on the  VHF.
> It may depend somewhat on your situation. We sail on the  Chesapeake
> where there are a lot of other boaters. If some issues a  Mayday, a
> Pan-pan or Securite call they do that over VHF. If you need  to issue
> a Mayday and you call the Coast Guard on your cell phone they  will
> hear you but other boaters in the area (who may be much closer  than
> the CG) will not. You may not need to deal with bridges or  commercial
> shipping. We do and I find it easier to call a bridge  tender on VHF.
> You can call them on the phone but you need to have a  separate number
> for each bridge. You generally cannot contact the  bridge of a
> commerical vessel by cell but you can with VHF. A handheld  will work.
> We used one for years before adding the masthead antenna  because we
> liked the added range - particularly for picking up  messages from
> other people with handhelds. And as Lee said you can use  it for
> weather forecasts. That said if we are on the Bay on a busy  weekend,
> the radio is usually off unless we need it. There is just too  much 
> traffic.
>
> We use a transom mount type fishfinder  for depth (not permanently
> mounted) and a bulkhead compass mounted on  a board in the
> companionway. We seem to have have an unreasonable  aversion to
> cutting holes in the boat.
>
> Best,
>  Mary Lou
> 1991 R22 Fretless
> Rock Hall,  MD
>
>
> At 02:26 PM 3/31/2008, you  wrote:
>
>>Tom,
>>
>>I might want to take you  up on sailing the Big Assawoman.  The invitation
>  is
>>also open for Kent Island if you want to get some Rhodes sailing  before
> your
>>boat arrives.
>>
>>Lost of  people will disagree, but I'd take Stan's advice on the VHF.  I
>  have
>>a cheap handheld and only use it for weather forecasts.   Once I used it to
>>call the Coast Guard and they told me to call  back on my cell phone.
>>
>>Regarding your questions, I  posted this about a year ago:
>>
>>"I had Stan install a  Plastismo Contest 101 in my portside bulkhead.  West
>>Marine's  list price is $215, but they'll normally match any Internet  price
>>you can find.  I think they sold it to me for about $135  to $140.  I like
> it
>>because it's two-sided so you can  read it from inside the cabin.  I often
>>lock the tiller and go  below to lay down on the settee, not that I'm lazy
>  or
>>anything.  It's nice to be able to see the compass to  ensure you don't go
>>off course.
>>
>>Stan and  others will tell you that a depth finder (fish finder)  isn't
>>necessary because your centerboard and rudder will tell you  when it gets
> too
>>shallow.  This is proof that even  Stan isn't right all the time.  Ask 
>>Rose.
>>I use my  fish finder all the time.  Even if you don't damage  your
>>centerboard and rudder by dragging them on the bottom, you'll  certainly
>>knock the bottom paint off of them.  I like to sail  close to shore, and
> it's
>>nice to know when it starts  getting shallow.  I had Stan install a
>>Humminbird Matrix 17  with the temperature/speed accessory on the starboard
>>side  bulkhead.  It was about $100.  You'll need transducer paint to  keep
> the
>>speed wheel turning, and even then it's nowhere  nearly as accurate as a
> GPS.
>>It will let you know if you're  speeding up or slowing down to help you 
>>trim
>>your  sails.  (Tom:  Don't get a speedwheel.  Even with transducer  paint it
>>will get marine growth in no time at  all.)
>>
>>It cost more to install the instruments than to  purchase them, but Stan's
>>crew did an excellent job.  I'm way  overpaid and totally inept, so it 
>>would
>>have cost me  much more to do it myself.
>>
>>I haven't ventured far from  the marina and normally try to get in before
>>dark, so I thought a  GPS would be more of a toy than something I really
>>needed, but I  would definitely recommend at least getting a cheap handheld
>>for  safety.  I use mine to check my speed more than anything else.  I  have
> a
>>Garmin C276, but it mostly depends on how much money  you want to spend.
>>Paper charts are still easier to read.  I  absolutely recommend that you do
>>not purchase a Magellan GPS.   I had nothing but nightmares with that
> company
>>(except that  nightmares stop when you wake up).
>>
>>Good luck with your  choices!"
>>
>>Lee
>>1986 Rhodes22  At  Ease
>>Kent Island,  MD
>>
>>___________________________________________________________________________
>  ______________
>>
>> >From Tom:
>>
>>Hi  guys,
>>
>>I thought I had a name picked out ("Mischief II")  for the 1999 R22 that
> Stan
>>is recycling for me even as I  write.  But since the hull will be navy and
>>since I'm "forever  in Blue Jeans" that are baggy and worn at the knees, my
>>wife  suggested "Rag Bag" or "Blue Jeans".  It will be one of the  three.
>>Stan has me talked out of a mast antenna and a  cockpit-mounted VHF, since
>>GPS and cell phones work great for  communicating these days.
>>
>>At any rate, since I'll be  sailing mostly in the Big Assawoman Bay (BAB),
>>which is extremely  shallow in spots and tends to shoal a bit, I'm still
>>inclined to go  with a depth gauge.  And I'm also inclined to install  a
>>wall-mounted compass in the cockpit area.  Does anyone have  any thoughts 
>>on
>>brands to look for / stay away  from?
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>Tom Bickerstaff  ("Bick")
>>
>>P.S. I should be "up and running" by the end  of June, so if anybody finds
>>him/herself near Ocean City, MD and  wants to check out the BAB, just let  
>>me
>>know.
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