[Rhodes22-list] Burt comments on posts about Spinnaker Sails

[Mary Lou Troy]

Ed,
It appears that the quote is indeed for the UPS. I believe the square 
footage is the same (I'll have to look it up to be sure). It even 
says UPS at the bottom of the quote. One difference that may add some 
dollars to the cost is the Facnor continuous line furler. I know that 
when we were working with Doyle on the specs for the sail, Paul was 
looking for a continuous line furler that was small enough but at the 
time he couldn't find one that was at all affordable. Instead they 
used a Harken mini-furler.

The continuous line furler would be nice as we originally had some 
problems furling the sail when it was windy. The furler would be full 
and we would run out of line before the sail was completely furled 
(furling too tightly in the wind). We solved the problem by going to 
a smaller diameter high-tech line. It works well most of the time 
though the line occasionally ties itself in knots and there is a lot of it.

While the continuous line furler would be nice, I suspect that it 
would add at least a small chunk or change to the cost. In any event 
we paid $975 for the sail and furler 5 years ago. The price is on the 
order form on the Rhodes22.org website. Of that something like 600 
was for the sail and 400 was for the furler and other hardware.

That order form has been there for 5 years so you would expect the 
cost to go up though double is a lot. I wonder if the fabric is an 
upgrade from the .9 nylon that we used 5 years ago?

Burt, if you are still interested, it's probably worth talking to 
Paul to see what kind of a club or other discount he could offer and 
to see if they are quoting higher tech materials than are necessary.

Mary Lou
1991 R22 Fretless
Rock Hall, MD



At 07:16 PM 4/8/2008, you wrote:

>Burt,
>
>Mary Lou gave you a name of of person at Doyle.  That guy arranged for a
>special 'Club' price for the sail involved.
>
>You may have gotten a quote on a spinnaker and not the UPS that they are all
>taking about.
>
>By not going thru the same guy, you are loosing the 'Club' pricing.
>Obviously a big difference.  I would go back to Mary Lou and Tom D.'s
>contact and explain what is going on and ask if that is really the current
>price.
>
>Since you are game for making your own with your own fabric, maybe just hire
>a sailmaker to show you how to do it. For example, look at this sailmaker:
>
>http://www.squeteaguesailmakers.com/jobs.html
>
>Ed K
>Greenville, SC, USA
>
>
>
>Andrew Collins s/v Carmen wrote:
> >
> > Burt
> >
> > Doyle makes a Utility Power Sail which is similar to a spinnaker. It furls
> > just aft of the genoa. It costs $1350 with a furler. Mary lou Troy on
> > Fretnaught has one and there are pictures on rhodes22.org
> >
> > andrew c
> > s/v Carmen
> > Grass IslandGreewnich CT
> > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Burt,
> >>
> >> There are many Rhodes with spinnaker sails.  Most are symetrical.  Years
> >> ago, Anne M, posted a picture of her using a symetical spinnaker without
> >> poles on Kentucky Lake.  The late Roger P. used to race using spinnakers.
> >>
> >> Other names for Spinnakers are Asymetrical Spinnakers, UPS, drifters,
> >> reachers, and there are more.
> >>
> >> Consider becoming the current expert.  Here is how:
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> http://www.amazon.com/phrase/Making-Your-Own-Sails/ref=cap_top_0/105-3387767-7694857
> >>
> >> Sailmaker's Apprentice by Emiliano Marino is referred to often on other
> >> sailing lists.  Table of contents indicates a chapter on making sails.
> >>
> >> The Art and Science of Sails by Tom Whidden (President of North Sails)
> >> tells
> >> you about all kind of sail design and reasons therefore, but does not
> >> tell
> >> how to make them.
> >>
> >> Sailpower by Peter Nielson, a pricipal writer for Sail Magazine is a
> >> great
> >> discussion of all aspects of sails, but again does not tell how to make
> >> them.
> >>
> >> Here is your opportunity to be the Rhodes Sailmaker...  And I would be
> >> wrong
> >> not to mention that one Stanley Spitzer knows a great deals about sails.
> >> Think IMF... a Spitzer controlled design.  Maybe take your material and
> >> sewing machine and set up shop at the Spitzer Sail Loft in Edenton, NC.
> >>  You
> >> could not get better advice.
> >>
> >> Ed K
> >> Greenville, SC, USA
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