[Rhodes22-list] E85

[Steven Alm]

OK, next question:  I have some left-over gas from last season in both the
sailboat and my fishing boat (Johnson 35 hs)  I did not put in any Stabil or
anything in it last fall.  Do I need to disgard it or can I add the stuff to
it now?

Slim

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Rik Sandberg <sanderico1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Brad,
>
> Sure, we heard all that sky is falling bs when we first started using
> ethanol in our gas 30 years ago. Yes, if your fuel system was
> exceptionally full of gunk, you might have trouble with the fuel filter
> clogging for a bit due to the different solvent properties of the
> ethanol. Like any gas it need some Stabil or something in it if you are
> going to leave it sitting around for a long time.
>
> I've been using this stuff in cars, trucks, lawn mowers, boat motors and
> every other gas powered machine I've owned for 30 years, as I said, and
> have never had a problem. Those of you that are just starting out with
> it now are going to be hearing all the horror stories we listened to 30
> years ago. Unfortunately no one seems to be able to look at the
> experience of people who have gone before them and realize that if it
> works OK for them, why shouldn't it work for me.
>
> Heck, I ran my sprint cars for a couple years on straight ethanol when I
> had a sponsor for the stuff. The rest of the time we used methanol which
> is much harder on stuff.
>
> Rik
>
> "Stupid is supposed to be painful" .... Rik Sandberg
>
>
>
> Brad Haslett wrote:
> > Rik,
> >
> > You hope you're buying 10% or less ethanol.  The way it is mixed at the
> tank
> > farm is pretty crude and that is why it is called "splash" blending.
>  Here's
> > a link to some marine issues-
> >
> > http://www.theoutboardwizard.com/boat_ethanol_danger_precaution.html
> >
> > Brad
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Rik Sandberg <sanderico1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Slim,
> >>
> >> What you're buying here in MN isn't E85, it's gasoline with 10% ethanol
> >> added. You've been running the stuff in your car for years. So have I.
> >> Most pumps say "this fuel contains 10% ethanol"
> >>
> >> There aren't many stations around yet that have E85. If you find one,
> >> the pump generally has a yellow hose and the pump definitely says E85
> on
> >> it. Our Cenex in town has E85. It's the only one. Yes, unless you have
> a
> >> flex fuel vehicle, you don't want to try to use this stuff.
> >>
> >> Ethanol enriched gasoline is 10% ethanol and 90% gas. Most any internal
> >> combustion engine can run this stuff, unmodified, with no problem. This
> >> has been sold at most every station in MN for almost 30 years E85 is
> 85%
> >> ethanol and 15% gasoline ..... Big difference.
> >>
> >> Your scooter friend doesn't know what he is talking about.
> >>
> >> Rik
> >>
> >> Steven Alm wrote:
> >>
> >>> I've got some good news and some bad news.  The good news is that we
> >>>
> >> finally
> >>
> >>> got some spring-like weather up here in Minneapolis and I got the
> >>>
> >> scooter
> >>
> >>> out for a nice long ride.  The bad news is that I was talking to
> another
> >>> biker dude who told me he goes down to Iowa and loads up on gas for
> his
> >>>
> >> bike
> >>
> >>> because Iowa doesn't use any ethanol.  He told me virtually all gas
> >>>
> >> stations
> >>
> >>> in Minnesota have it.  I thought they had to put a sticker on the
> pumps
> >>> saying it's E85.  WTF?
> >>>
> >>> I know we've discussed this before but IIRC engines have to be
> reworked
> >>>
> >> to
> >>
> >>> run on ethanol because it's hard on hoses, gives lower gas-mileage and
> >>>
> >> so
> >>
> >>> on, and so-called "flex fuel vehicles" have undergone this
> modification.
> >>> But I'm sure the vast majority of Minnesotans have not made these
> >>> modifications to their cars so I'm wondering if we're all ruining our
> >>>
> >> cars
> >>
> >>> or was this biker dude just blowing smoke.  I've googled around a bit
> >>>
> >> and
> >>
> >>> can't find evidence one way or the other if all or how many Minnesota
> >>>
> >> gas
> >>
> >>> stations have it now.  Or if it's required that pumps display a
> sticker.
> >>>
> >>> I'm not at all on the corn-produced ethanol bandwagon and don't see it
> >>>
> >> as a
> >>
> >>> viable option--unless of course you're a corn farmer of which there
> are
> >>>
> >> a
> >>
> >>> lot in this neck of the woods.  But there's probably no place that
> grows
> >>> more corn than Iowa.  So what do the Iowegians know that we
> Minnesotans
> >>> don't know about ethanol?  More importantly, am I wrecking my
> scooter's
> >>> engine?  My out board?  My V-8 without even knowing that I'm running
> >>>
> >> E85?
> >>
> >>> Aside--they're all running well but I haven't checked gas mileage
> >>>
> >> lately.
> >>
> >>> Slim
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