[Rhodes22-list] Michael Meltzer & Herb - Masthead lights (anchor & steaming) - Question and clar

[Herb Parsons]

That's the problem Bob, it's not quite as easy as it seems.

The regs you posted concern a SAILING VESSEL.

But you asked about a steaming light.

A sailing vessel doesn't need a steaming light.

The problem is in the definition of "sailing vessel". If/when you fire 
up the motor on your Rhodes, you're no longer a sailing vessel.

In the actual colregs, you have to constantly move between the 
regulations, the definitions, and the exceptions.

Bob Keller wrote:
> Dana,
> I thought this was a simple question with a relatively simple answer - that is until I posted it to this list! 
>  
> Here is a cut & paste of the rule in question.  I think I know what it says but maybe because I can't read between the lines:
>  
> (a)     A sailing vessel underway shall exhibit:
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> sidelights; 
> a sternlight. 
> (b)     In a sailing vessel of less than 20 meters in length the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) of this Rule may be combined in one lantern carried at or near the top of the mast where it can best be seen. 
> (c)     A sailing vessel underway may, in addition to the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) of this Rule, exhibit at or near the top of the mast, where they can best be seen, two all-round lights in a vertical line, the upper being red and the lower Green, but these lights shall not be exhibited in conjunction with the combined lantern permitted by paragraph (b) of this Rule. 
> (d)       
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>
> A sailing vessel of less than 7 meters in length shall, if practicable, exhibit the lights prescribed in paragraph (a) or (b) of this Rule, but if she does not, she shall have ready at hand an electric torch or lighted lantern showing a white light which shall be exhibited in sufficient time to prevent collision. 
> A vessel under oars may exhibit the lights prescribed in this rule for sailing vessels, but if she does not, she shall have ready at hand an electric torch or lighted lantern showing a white light which shall be exhibited in sufficient time to prevent collision. 
> (e)     A vessel proceeding under sail when also being propelled by machinery shall exhibit forward where it can best be seen a conical shape, apex downwards.  A vessel of less than 12 meters in length is not required to exhibit this shape, but may do so. [Inld]
> <-- Previous Rule --- Next Rule -->
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>  
> This is like one of those sketches in the shrink's office where they ask, "What do you see in this picture?"
> BK> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:49:44 -0700> From: realnamen at yahoo.com> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Michael Meltzer & Herb - Masthead lights (anchor & steaming) - Question and clar> > Bob,> > This is related to my original question. Can you have> the sternlight, port and starboard lights, and 360> anchor light illuminated while under power? This> would present two white lights to a following boat.> > I know that we (at less than 23 ft) don't have to> strictly comply, but I operate around larger boats and> I want to comply with their expectations.> > -Dana> --- Bob Keller <r22yankeeclipper at hotmail.com> wrote:> > > > > When I say that, this is assuming that you have> > stern, port and starboard lights, of course. The> > 360 masthead anchor light can replace the 180> > steaming light, but not the other way around. Am I> > wrong on this? That is what these regs seem to say.> > Bob K> > > > > > > From: r22yankeeclipper at hotmail.com> To:> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008> > 21:17:41 -0400> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Michael> > Meltzer & Herb - Masthead lights (anchor & steaming)> > - Question and clar> > > Mike,> Thanks - I read this> > before and it basically says what I am saying: you> > don't need a separate anchor light and steaming> > light for our boats. One all-around light will do> > the trick. > Bob K> From: mweisner at ebsmed.com> To:> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008> > 14:07:50 -0400> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Michael> > Meltzer & Herb - Masthead lights (anchor & steaming)> > - Question and clar> > Herb, Bob, etc.,> > Please> > read rules on USCG site:>> >> http://www.uscgboating.org/SAFETY/fedreqs/equ_nav.htm>> > This page is very easy to read and understand.> >> > Mike> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)> Nissequogue> > River, NY> > From: "Herb Parsons"> > <hparsons at parsonsys.com>Sent: Tuesday, April 15,> > 2008 > 10:41 PM> > Sorry Bob, but I think you> > mis-read the regs.> >> > A sailboat under power is a> > powerboat.> >> > A powerboat between 12 meters and> > 20 meters has to display a separate> > stern light> > (90 degrees, 45 degrees each direction) and steaming> > light> > (270 degrees, 135 each direction)> >> > A> > sailboat between 7 meters and 20 meters can use a> > single 360 degree> > light as a combination> > steaming/stern light.> >> > A sailboat under 7> > meters (the Rhodes 22 fits that) can use a> > flashlight> > shining on the sail as your steaming> > light, but how un-cool is THAT?> >> > However, if> > it's under power, it's a powerboat. If it's a> > powerboat, it> > has to have a steaming light.> >>> > >> >> > Bob Keller wrote:> >> Ed,> >> I think the> > 360 as an anchor light is required but the 360 as a> > steaming > >> light is optional/overkill. The R-22> > only needs the port, starboard and > >> stern lights> > while underway, doesn't need anything on the mast...> > The CG > >> link confirmed that. Of course, the> > rules might be different on Lake > >> Hartwell since> > even Y-valves are not allowed there.> >> Bob K> >>>> > >>> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 04:38:02 -0700> From:> > ekroposki at charter.net> To: > >>>> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: [Rhodes22-list]> > Michael Meltzer & > >>> Herb - Masthead lights> > (anchor & steaming) - Question and clarification> >> > >>> > > Bob Keller and Dana...> > Michael Meltzer is> > our resident expert on > >>> what is legal regarding> > lights. > So 'USCG Captain' Meltzer what are the >> > >>> correct answers to Bob and Dana's> questions?> >> > This much I know, the > >>> lighting pattern is> > different for different length> boats. Why? so > >>>> > knowledgeable 'Captains' can tell what kind of boat> > it is. > Herb, isn't > >>> that a question for the> > 'Captain's' exam.> > As to Anchor light being > >>>> > visible on a 22 foot boat for 360 degrees, I do not>> > think that it has > >>> to be a single light. On the> > R22 there is a light on the> 'stern' when > >>>> > added to the light up the mast, together they> > qualify as 360> degrees of > >>> white light. Is> > that how the R22 is legal? I suspect that Stan> just> > > >>> might know what qualifies as legal lights.> >> > Now Bob K. has> > t> >>>> >> o find out if his 360> > degrees of masthead light on a 22 foot> boat > >>> > screws up the Coast Guard's intent in lighting( I> > already know the> > >> correct answer, but does> > he?). The Coast Guard does publish a small > >>> > booklet> on lighting, just do not know where my copy> > is quickly. Also, I > >> believe> these questions> > are answered in 'Chapman's'. When I find my > >>> > copies, I will> seek yea answers. This is comes up> > every so often on this > >> forum so the> answers> > are probably in the archives. > > Ed K> Greenville,> > > >> SC, USA> attachment for Slim:> > > >>> > http://www.nabble.com/file/p16656988/approve.gif> > approve.gif > > > > Hi > >> there, I bought an 87> > R22 last year and absolutely love it. I'm> > >>> > currently working on getting it ready for the> > season. The mast is wired > >> for> an anchor light,> > but whatever was there must have busted off before >> > >> I got> the boat. There is also a light fixture> > facing forward about a > >> foot from> the top of> > the mast, but it wasn't working last year either.> >> > >> > I have two questions:> > 1. The an> > ch> >> or> > light and steaming are separate lights, right? My>> > understanding is > >> that an anchor light has to be> > visible from all directions,> and the > >> steaming> > light is the light facing forward that must be on> > when> > >> motoring.> > 2. Any recommendations on> > new lighting? 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