[Rhodes22-list] U.S. medical system leading cause of death - comment to Peter

Thu Apr 24 11:12:04 EDT 2008

An AMA article that affirms Ed's conclusion - that the leading causes
of death are self-imposed.

http://www.csdp.org/research/1238.pdf

Results:  The leading causes of death in 2000 were tobacco (435000 deaths; 18.1%
of total US deaths), poor diet and physical inactivity (400000 deaths;
16.6%), and
alcohol consumption (85000 deaths; 3.5%). Other actual causes of death
were microbial
agents (75000), toxic agents (55000), motor vehicle crashes (43000), incidents
involving firearms (29000), sexual behaviors (20000), and illicit use of drugs
(17000).

Conclusions:  These analyses show that smoking remains the leading
cause of mortality.
However, poor diet and physical inactivity may soon overtake tobacco as the
leading cause of death. These findings, along with escalating health
care costs and
aging population, argue persuasively that the need to establish a more
preventive orientation
in the US health care and public health systems has become more urgent.

JAMA. 2004;291:1238-1245 www.jama.com
For editorial comment see p 1263.
1238 JAMA,

Dave

On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 7:44 AM, Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> And this article sites an institutes of medicine study that puts it at
> 44,000 to 98,000 annually.  I really question the validity of the NIA
> report.  It seems grossly exaggerated.
>
> http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/mistakes/common.htm
>
> Hank
>
>
> On 4/24/08, petelargo <petelauritzen at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >
>
> > No sir. You are absolutely 100% incorrect. This is based on statistical
> > evidence. I won't do your research for you. Just google 'us medical system
> > number one cause of deaths'.  It's a tough pill to swallow. (pun intended).
> >
> > "New information has been presented showing the degree to which Americans
> > have been subjected to injury and death by medical errors. The results of
> > seven years of research reviewing thousands of studies conducted by the NIA
> > now show that medical errors are the number one cause of death and injury
> > in
> > the United States. According to the NIA's report, over 784,000 people die
> > annually due to medical mistakes. Comparatively, the 2001 annual death rate
> > for heart disease was 699,697 and the annual death rate for cancer was
> > 553,251."
> >
> >
> >
> > Tootle wrote:
> > >
> > > Peter,
> > >
> > > When making such statements, please post citations and references.
> > >
> > > I would suggest that your citations will come from the media which goes
> > > out of its way to cause controversy to drum up business.
> > >
> > > Medical mistakes do occur, but having spent many years in several
> > > hospitals; I would say your statement is not accurate.  Especially when
> > > compared to medical care around the world.  Yes, I have personally
> > > inspected health care in a 3rd world country.
> > >
> > > I would rather suggest that you consider that people doing 'stupid'
> > things
> > > is the leading cause of death.  That would include reckless driving, no
> > > life preservers while boating, smoking, excessive alcohol, excessive and
> > > recreational drugs, suicide, believing the national media that the world
> > > is ending, believing the national media that all is negative...
> > >
> > > Again, like many others, the national media has created a herd sheep
> > > mentality...  Remember, that man was not created to live forever.  That
> > > disease and pestilence are our lot.  Take each hour given you, do your
> > > best and enjoy it.
> > >
> > > In the meantime, remember that physicians use available science to fix a
> > > problem and get people going a few hours longer.  They are not 'God'.
> > >
> > > However, they can be stifled by bureaucratic controlled systems.  They
> > can
> > > be stifled by socialism.  Socialism kills human initiative.  Doctors are
> > > only human, and their initiative and imagination can be debilitated
> > > fighting socialistic controlled systems.
> > >
> > > Ed K
> > > Greenville, SC, USA
> > > "Every great advancement in science has issued from a new audacity of
> > > imagination." John Dewey
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > petelargo wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for your post. You will see plenty scare tactic e-mails and 'BOO'
> > >> blogs on this in the upcoming months. Most will be nonsense.  By what
> > >> measure is the current health care system so great if right now the
> > >> health care system itself in the united states is the leading cause of
> > >> death? Somethings wrong and I mean big time.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Lynn Hoffman wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I noticed in one of the recent diatribes, a letter from someone who
> > >>> claimed
> > >>> that socialism killed his parents. There's a lot to be said about
> > >>> that letter, but
> > >>> I think I'll just comment on the claim that there are only three
> > >>> oncologists in Montreal.
> > >>> Unfortunately, I've come to know a little bit about oncologists and
> > >>> where to
> > >>> find 'em. Here's the medical roster of the oncology department at one
> > >>> hospital there. (McGill)
> > >>>
> > >>> Dr Gerald Batist - Chair
> > >>> Penny Chipman, Manager, Clinical Research Program
> > >>> Fran Ezzy-Jorgensen, Administrative Officer, Department of Oncology
> > >>> Dr Eduardo Franco - Cancer Division of Epidemiology
> > >>> Dr Carolyn Freeman - Division of Radiation Oncology
> > >>> Dr. Thomas Jagoe - Cancer Nutrition-Rehabilitation Program
> > >>> Dr Petr Kavan - Adolescent and Young Adult Oncology Program
> > >>> Dr Carmen Loiselle - Oncology Nursing
> > >>> Dr Richard Margolese - Oncology Department, JGH
> > >>> Dr Catalin Mihalcioiu - Division of Medical Oncology
> > >>> Dr Wilson Miller - Clinical Research Program
> > >>> Dr Lawrence Panasci - Division of Medical Oncology
> > >>> Dr Michael Pollack - Cancer Prevention Program
> > >>> Dr Jaroslav Prchal - Community Oncology Program
> > >>> Dr Zeev Rosberger - Psychosocial Oncology Program
> > >>> Dr Jeremy Sturgeon - Oncology Department, MUHC
> > >>> Dr Simon Tanguay - Prostate Cancer Program
> > >>> Dr Marc Tischkowitz - Cancer Genetics Program
> > >>> Dr Anna Towers - Palliative Care
> > >>> Dr Michel Tremblay - Basic Cancer Research
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> So the guy who wrote that is a patent liar. The sad thing is that
> > >>> many people will read that and remember something about how
> > >>> 'socialized medicine killed somebody and ain't it a shame?' The good
> > >>> news is that this crap is the best they got and maybe we'll get
> > >>> somewhere with health care when people know the facts.
> > >>>
> > >>> Lynn
> > >>> --
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Lynn Hoffman is the author of bang BANG, a novel about a woman who
> > >>> uses some unusual weapons to tackle the gun culture in Philadelphia.
> > >>>
> > >>> He is also the author of  The New Short Course in Wine from
> > >>> PrenticeHall.
> > >>>
> > >>> More? want to read rave reviews? an excerpt?
> > >>>
> > >>> http://www.kunati.com
> > >>>
> > >>> You can read more and order a copy of bang-BANG from:
> > >>>
> > >>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1601640005
> > >>>
> > >>> or from your local bookseller.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> If you're looking for great wines for less than $US20, get the latest
> > >>> finds at http://shortcourseinwine.blogspot.com/
> > >>>
> > >>>
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> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
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