[Rhodes22-list] Peter L there is fly in the ointment...

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Peter,

In reading one of the citations posted in the replies, it says, "due to
potentially preventable, in-hospital medical errors."  Potentially
preventable is different from absolutely preventable errors.

I am able to write a book on that subject, but it is not where I choose to
spend hours.  Suffice to say that it is easy to be a Monday morning
quarterback.
  
Some errors occur every day in hospitals or doctors offices.  I will tell
you the one fact, from the total number of decisions made the percentage of
errors is miniscule.

Unfortunately occasionally one of those errors results in death, maybe. 
Maybe the patient would have died anyway, as was pointed out by another
post, we all die.  But it is easy for some to say but for an error the
patient would have lived, it is quite another to have been there making the
best decision that could be made at that moment. 

Because errors are made is not a valid reason to support socialism.  I
guarantee there is less accountability under bureaucratic socialist system. 
Just ask the bureaucrats on this list.  They will tell that they do not make
errors.

We also have physicians on this forum.  Why won't they speak up?  

Ed K
Greenville, SC, USA
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No sir. You are absolutely 100% incorrect. This is based on statistical
evidence. I won't do your research for you. Just google 'us medical system
number one cause of deaths'.  It's a tough pill to swallow. (pun intended). 

"New information has been presented showing the degree to which Americans
have been subjected to injury and death by medical errors. The results of
seven years of research reviewing thousands of studies conducted by the NIA
now show that medical errors are the number one cause of death and injury in
the United States. According to the NIA's report, over 784,000 people die
annually due to medical mistakes. Comparatively, the 2001 annual death rate
for heart disease was 699,697 and the annual death rate for cancer was
553,251."



Peter,

When making such statements, please post citations and references.  

I would suggest that your citations will come from the media which goes out
of its way to cause controversy to drum up business.

Medical mistakes do occur, but having spent many years in several hospitals;
I would say your statement is not accurate.  Especially when compared to
medical care around the world.  Yes, I have personally inspected health care
in a 3rd world country.

I would rather suggest that you consider that people doing ‘stupid’ things
is the leading cause of death.  That would include reckless driving, no life
preservers while boating, smoking, excessive alcohol, excessive and
recreational drugs, suicide, believing the national media that the world is
ending, believing the national media that all is negative...

Again, like many others, the national media has created a herd sheep
mentality...  Remember, that man was not created to live forever.  That
disease and pestilence are our lot.  Take each hour given you, do your best
and enjoy it.

In the meantime, remember that physicians use available science to fix a
problem and get people going a few hours longer.  They are not ‘God’.  

However, they can be stifled by bureaucratic controlled systems.  They can
be stifled by socialism.  Socialism kills human initiative.  Doctors are
only human, and their initiative and imagination can be debilitated fighting
socialistic controlled systems.

Ed K
Greenville, SC, USA
“Every great advancement in science has issued from a new audacity of
imagination.” John Dewey




Thanks for your post. You will see plenty scare tactic e-mails and 'BOO'
blogs on this in the upcoming months. Most will be nonsense.  By what
measure is the current health care system so great if right now the health
care system itself in the united states is the leading cause of death?
Somethings wrong and I mean big time.


I noticed in one of the recent diatribes, a letter from someone who claimed
that socialism killed his parents. There's a lot to be said about 
that letter, but
I think I'll just comment on the claim that there are only three 
oncologists in Montreal.
Unfortunately, I've come to know a little bit about oncologists and where to
find 'em. Here's the medical roster of the oncology department at one 
hospital there. (McGill)

Dr Gerald Batist - Chair
Penny Chipman, Manager, Clinical Research Program
Fran Ezzy-Jorgensen, Administrative Officer, Department of Oncology
Dr Eduardo Franco - Cancer Division of Epidemiology
Dr Carolyn Freeman - Division of Radiation Oncology
Dr. Thomas Jagoe - Cancer Nutrition-Rehabilitation Program
Dr Petr Kavan - Adolescent and Young Adult Oncology Program
Dr Carmen Loiselle - Oncology Nursing
Dr Richard Margolese - Oncology Department, JGH
Dr Catalin Mihalcioiu - Division of Medical Oncology
Dr Wilson Miller - Clinical Research Program
Dr Lawrence Panasci - Division of Medical Oncology
Dr Michael Pollack - Cancer Prevention Program
Dr Jaroslav Prchal - Community Oncology Program
Dr Zeev Rosberger - Psychosocial Oncology Program
Dr Jeremy Sturgeon - Oncology Department, MUHC
Dr Simon Tanguay - Prostate Cancer Program
Dr Marc Tischkowitz - Cancer Genetics Program
Dr Anna Towers - Palliative Care
Dr Michel Tremblay - Basic Cancer Research


So the guy who wrote that is a patent liar. The sad thing is that 
many people will read that and remember something about how 
'socialized medicine killed somebody and ain't it a shame?' The good 
news is that this crap is the best they got and maybe we'll get 
somewhere with health care when people know the facts.

Lynn
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Lynn Hoffman is the author of bang BANG, a novel about a woman who 
uses some unusual weapons to tackle the gun culture in Philadelphia.

He is also the author of  The New Short Course in Wine from PrenticeHall.

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