[Rhodes22-list] U.S. medical system leading cause of death - comment to Peter
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Thu Apr 24 15:16:28 EDT 2008
I've heard that the best way to die is shortly after your 100th
birthday, buy gunshot from a jealous husband.
Brad Haslett wrote:
> Jeezo Peezo Boys & Girls,
>
> What a depressing subject! Oh well, since we all have to die of something,
> I went through the list and made my choice. What is the best way to expire
> via sexual behavior? Can this be done without alcohol?
>
> Brad
>
> On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 10:12 AM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> An AMA article that affirms Ed's conclusion - that the leading causes
>> of death are self-imposed.
>>
>> http://www.csdp.org/research/1238.pdf
>>
>> Results: The leading causes of death in 2000 were tobacco (435000 deaths;
>> 18.1%
>> of total US deaths), poor diet and physical inactivity (400000 deaths;
>> 16.6%), and
>> alcohol consumption (85000 deaths; 3.5%). Other actual causes of death
>> were microbial
>> agents (75000), toxic agents (55000), motor vehicle crashes (43000),
>> incidents
>> involving firearms (29000), sexual behaviors (20000), and illicit use of
>> drugs
>> (17000).
>>
>> Conclusions: These analyses show that smoking remains the leading
>> cause of mortality.
>> However, poor diet and physical inactivity may soon overtake tobacco as the
>> leading cause of death. These findings, along with escalating health
>> care costs and
>> aging population, argue persuasively that the need to establish a more
>> preventive orientation
>> in the US health care and public health systems has become more urgent.
>>
>> JAMA. 2004;291:1238-1245 www.jama.com
>> For editorial comment see p 1263.
>> 1238 JAMA,
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 7:44 AM, Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And this article sites an institutes of medicine study that puts it at
>>> 44,000 to 98,000 annually. I really question the validity of the NIA
>>> report. It seems grossly exaggerated.
>>>
>>> http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/mistakes/common.htm
>>>
>>> Hank
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/24/08, petelargo <petelauritzen at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> No sir. You are absolutely 100% incorrect. This is based on statistical
>>>> evidence. I won't do your research for you. Just google 'us medical
>>>>
>> system
>>
>>>> number one cause of deaths'. It's a tough pill to swallow. (pun
>>>>
>> intended).
>>
>>>> "New information has been presented showing the degree to which
>>>>
>> Americans
>>
>>>> have been subjected to injury and death by medical errors. The results
>>>>
>> of
>>
>>>> seven years of research reviewing thousands of studies conducted by the
>>>>
>> NIA
>>
>>>> now show that medical errors are the number one cause of death and
>>>>
>> injury
>>
>>>> in
>>>> the United States. According to the NIA's report, over 784,000 people
>>>>
>> die
>>
>>>> annually due to medical mistakes. Comparatively, the 2001 annual death
>>>>
>> rate
>>
>>>> for heart disease was 699,697 and the annual death rate for cancer was
>>>> 553,251."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tootle wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Peter,
>>>>>
>>>>> When making such statements, please post citations and references.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would suggest that your citations will come from the media which
>>>>>
>> goes
>>
>>>>> out of its way to cause controversy to drum up business.
>>>>>
>>>>> Medical mistakes do occur, but having spent many years in several
>>>>> hospitals; I would say your statement is not accurate. Especially
>>>>>
>> when
>>
>>>>> compared to medical care around the world. Yes, I have personally
>>>>> inspected health care in a 3rd world country.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would rather suggest that you consider that people doing 'stupid'
>>>>>
>>>> things
>>>>
>>>>> is the leading cause of death. That would include reckless driving,
>>>>>
>> no
>>
>>>>> life preservers while boating, smoking, excessive alcohol, excessive
>>>>>
>> and
>>
>>>>> recreational drugs, suicide, believing the national media that the
>>>>>
>> world
>>
>>>>> is ending, believing the national media that all is negative...
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, like many others, the national media has created a herd sheep
>>>>> mentality... Remember, that man was not created to live forever.
>>>>>
>> That
>>
>>>>> disease and pestilence are our lot. Take each hour given you, do
>>>>>
>> your
>>
>>>>> best and enjoy it.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the meantime, remember that physicians use available science to
>>>>>
>> fix a
>>
>>>>> problem and get people going a few hours longer. They are not 'God'.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, they can be stifled by bureaucratic controlled systems.
>>>>>
>> They
>>
>>>> can
>>>>
>>>>> be stifled by socialism. Socialism kills human initiative. Doctors
>>>>>
>> are
>>
>>>>> only human, and their initiative and imagination can be debilitated
>>>>> fighting socialistic controlled systems.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed K
>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>>>> "Every great advancement in science has issued from a new audacity of
>>>>> imagination." John Dewey
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> petelargo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for your post. You will see plenty scare tactic e-mails and
>>>>>>
>> 'BOO'
>>
>>>>>> blogs on this in the upcoming months. Most will be nonsense. By
>>>>>>
>> what
>>
>>>>>> measure is the current health care system so great if right now the
>>>>>> health care system itself in the united states is the leading cause
>>>>>>
>> of
>>
>>>>>> death? Somethings wrong and I mean big time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lynn Hoffman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I noticed in one of the recent diatribes, a letter from someone who
>>>>>>> claimed
>>>>>>> that socialism killed his parents. There's a lot to be said about
>>>>>>> that letter, but
>>>>>>> I think I'll just comment on the claim that there are only three
>>>>>>> oncologists in Montreal.
>>>>>>> Unfortunately, I've come to know a little bit about oncologists and
>>>>>>> where to
>>>>>>> find 'em. Here's the medical roster of the oncology department at
>>>>>>>
>> one
>>
>>>>>>> hospital there. (McGill)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dr Gerald Batist - Chair
>>>>>>> Penny Chipman, Manager, Clinical Research Program
>>>>>>> Fran Ezzy-Jorgensen, Administrative Officer, Department of Oncology
>>>>>>> Dr Eduardo Franco - Cancer Division of Epidemiology
>>>>>>> Dr Carolyn Freeman - Division of Radiation Oncology
>>>>>>> Dr. Thomas Jagoe - Cancer Nutrition-Rehabilitation Program
>>>>>>> Dr Petr Kavan - Adolescent and Young Adult Oncology Program
>>>>>>> Dr Carmen Loiselle - Oncology Nursing
>>>>>>> Dr Richard Margolese - Oncology Department, JGH
>>>>>>> Dr Catalin Mihalcioiu - Division of Medical Oncology
>>>>>>> Dr Wilson Miller - Clinical Research Program
>>>>>>> Dr Lawrence Panasci - Division of Medical Oncology
>>>>>>> Dr Michael Pollack - Cancer Prevention Program
>>>>>>> Dr Jaroslav Prchal - Community Oncology Program
>>>>>>> Dr Zeev Rosberger - Psychosocial Oncology Program
>>>>>>> Dr Jeremy Sturgeon - Oncology Department, MUHC
>>>>>>> Dr Simon Tanguay - Prostate Cancer Program
>>>>>>> Dr Marc Tischkowitz - Cancer Genetics Program
>>>>>>> Dr Anna Towers - Palliative Care
>>>>>>> Dr Michel Tremblay - Basic Cancer Research
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So the guy who wrote that is a patent liar. The sad thing is that
>>>>>>> many people will read that and remember something about how
>>>>>>> 'socialized medicine killed somebody and ain't it a shame?' The
>>>>>>>
>> good
>>
>>>>>>> news is that this crap is the best they got and maybe we'll get
>>>>>>> somewhere with health care when people know the facts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lynn
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lynn Hoffman is the author of bang BANG, a novel about a woman who
>>>>>>> uses some unusual weapons to tackle the gun culture in
>>>>>>>
>> Philadelphia.
>>
>>>>>>> He is also the author of The New Short Course in Wine from
>>>>>>> PrenticeHall.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More? want to read rave reviews? an excerpt?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.kunati.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can read more and order a copy of bang-BANG from:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1601640005
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> or from your local bookseller.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you're looking for great wines for less than $US20, get the
>>>>>>>
>> latest
>>
>>>>>>> finds at http://shortcourseinwine.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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