[Rhodes22-list] Rob Granger Failure

Sun Aug 3 23:45:14 EDT 2008

John, Elle and yes, even you, Ed (& "da list"),

> From: "John Lock" <jlock at relevantarts.com>Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 
> 11:13 AM
>
> And true to his word Rob unsubscribed right after that.  It's a damn
> shame... we continue to lose knowledge and experience due to
> anti-social behavior.  Regardless of whether anyone thinks he should
> have stuck around and just ignored the crap, some (many) people just
> don't want the hassle.  And we are poorer for it.

We all lost, again.  All because some of us feel the need to attack 
newcomers.

Rob G was going to contribute his findings and commentary on gunkholing on 
Albemarle Sound when he returned from his family vacation/sail 
adventure:(http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2008-July/052624.html)
He could have provided valuable contributions to this list.

Yes, Ed, by the way, Capt Rob G did announce that he is a teacher, 
apparently a university professor.  It is no wonder that he wouldn't put up 
with your crap.  He had found this list very informative and enjoyed the 
tone.  He went so far as to state in communication with you, Ed, "This list 
has a nice close feel to it." 
(http://www.nabble.com/Rob-Granger-and-%22THE-GUNKHOLER%27S-GUIDE-TO-THE-ALBEMARLE-SOUND%22-to18712224.html)

When are we going to change so that we may encourage these folks to add to 
our forum rather than quit and run from it?  The actions today may not 
clearly violate the charter of the list - a personal attack.  ("Posts to the 
group are expected to be considerate of  other readers. Personal abuse, 
flames, and obscenities are  *not* appreciated; but we are sailors....... " 
from 
http://www.nabble.com/List-charter.-Please-read-and-understand.-to18137134.html#a18137134) 
I find it hard to see how actions such as these continue to fulfill the 
focus of the list:

* Encouraging the understanding and discussion of Rhodes sailboats  or
Rhodes sailors, in the many ways people wish to define it.
* Acting  as a source of information for  Rhodes sailboats or Rhodes
sailors  worldwide and for people planning  to buy/sell/repair/learn
about Rhodes  sailboats or Rhodes sailors.
* Providing a forum for the development and  promotion Rhodes sailboats
or Rhodes sailors'  culture, history,  traditions and economy.

Please note that today's episode was not based on a failure to tolerate 
political discussions or other non-sailing postings but only on personal 
attitudes.

Let's work to eliminate this sort of abuse, now.

Mike
s/v Shanghaid'd Summer ('81)
       Nissequogue River, NY

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Lock" <jlock at relevantarts.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rob Granger about your Albemarle Sound 
Questions begin here

At 07:35 AM 8/3/2008 -0700, elle wrote:
>Ed,
>
>DANG IT!
>
>Take your meds and quit being such a scold.
>
>No one is as perfect or as knowledgable as you. There. It's been said.
>
>Now QUIT THROWING IT IN EVERYONE'S FACES.
>
>I apologize to everyone else for shouting.

And true to his word Rob unsubscribed right after that.  It's a damn
shame... we continue to lose knowledge and experience due to
anti-social behavior.  Regardless of whether anyone thinks he should
have stuck around and just ignored the crap, some (many) people just
don't want the hassle.  And we are poorer for it.

Cheers!
John

>--- On Sun, 8/3/08, Rob Granger <rgranger at sbc.edu> wrote:
>
>From: Rob Granger <rgranger at sbc.edu>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rob Granger about your Albemarle Sound
>Questions begin here
>To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 10:12 AM
>
>I guess the MacGregor thing really pissed you off....
>
>If you read more carefully I had a Mac 22 (no 55 hp engine nor any
>water ballast .
>
>Life is short and I don't need a pissing contest with some stranger on
>the net so...
>
>I'm off (last post)
>
>Later dude and I hope your day improves.
>
>
>
>
>Quoting Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>:
>
> >
> > Rob G.:
> >
> > Have you considered taking a course in coastal navigation?  I recommend
>you
> > communicate with list member Bob Weber who has a web site:
> >
> > http://www.odysseysailing.com/favorite.htm
> >
> > In is real life Bob is the same guy I posted to yesterday:
> >
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2008-August/052773.html
> >
> > And here I thought you said you were a teacher?  I thought teaching
>required
> > a significant amount of preparation and research?  Some investigation
>might
> > bring you to this web site:
> >
> > http://nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/mcd/chart1/chart1hr.htm
> >
> > Which in turn might bring you to:
> >
> > http://nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/mcd/chart1/indicies/X.pdf
> >
> > And if you scroll down the page, Wah Lah!  An important clue.  X list of
> > descriptors . see M14, N2, N20-25.
> >
> > Let us know what you decide.
> >
> > Ed K
> > Greenville, SC, USA
> >
> >
> > Capt. Rob wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello List
> >>
> >> I just got my GMCO chart of the Albemarle Sound today and I have
> >> questions regarding some of the markings.
> >>
> >> Just off of the tip of Harvey Point (long 76*19") is a square
>marked
> >> "Restricted Area"  and along the Southern bank (long
>76*19" to 76*05")
> >> is a region marked "DANGER AREA" with some text (WK PA
>target) that
> >> makes me thinkest that some navy target activity might be going on
> >> there.  But the map does not elaborate.
> >>
> >> Can any of y'all help me with these markings?  Do I need to be
> >> cautious of drifting into a military target zone?  What does
> >> "RESTRICTED" mean?  Does it mean don't fish, crab or
>clam?  or does it
> >> mean "STAY OUT".
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Rob-G
> >>
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