[Rhodes22-list] hull leak question for Tom

Wed Aug 6 18:17:12 EDT 2008

Ed,

Good points.  See comments in text.

Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY

From: "Tootle" <ekroposki at charter.net>Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 5:26 
PM
>
> Tom:
>
> Here is my assessment.
>
> 1.  You local guy who commented that it was caused by freezing may be
> correct.  But I am not immediately convinced that is the primary cause.

        I agree.  Ice fractures are usually slower leaks.
>
> 2.  Any comments posted by Lou Rosenberg should be taken most seriously
> because of his expertise.

        Yes, Lou has first hand knowledge, although the most recent hull 
failure was
        probably due to a yard or PO who attempted to jack up hull by using 
a bottle
        jack under the area just forward of the centerboard keel.  Lou found 
a curious
        round crack (just like the top of a bottle jack) in the 'glass.
>
> 3.  The location indicates to me it is at the leading edge of the
> centerboard well.  The centerboard well is made separately from the hull 
> and
> is then joined leaving the potential for a seam at the place where you 
> have
> the leak.  I think that a hard strike while sailing, retreiving or other
> unnatural act caused a crack at the seam.  The crack may not have leaked
> thru until a freeze expanded it.
>

        I cannot agree or disagree without better observation of the source 
of the
        leak.  I think that the centerboard truck / fin keel is pretty 
sturdy, at least it
        was in the early '80s boats.

> My opinion is that the leak is at a defined location and can be fixed by
> forcing epoxy into the crack.  It would help to find the place in the 
> bilge
> where the water is coming in.  That would be the best place to inject slow
> setting epoxy into the crack to get it into all nooks and crannies.
>
        I would rather find and fix the real problem. Quick fixes usually 
show
        up over and over.  If there is a structural problem, it should be 
repaired
        using newly laid cloth and resin, not just filling of a hole, unless 
the hole
        is small and can essentially be "plugged" with the epoxy.

> I would add that I have seen such a leak at that location before and that 
> is
> how it was mended.
>
        Maybe this is the same boat!!

> However, I do not pretend to be the oracle of all knowledge and do get and
> evaluate all opinions.

        None of us are.  That's why there are 3 opinions as to the best 
method of
        repair for every pair of us on the list.
>
> Ed K
> Greenville, SC, USA
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>
> Ed,
> That's warm Chesapeake Bay water.  Photo was taken yesterday.  Came in
> fairly quickly, and was above the cabin floor in less than 10 minutes.  We
> were still at the ramp.  Boat was dry prior to launch.
> Tom
>
>
>
> Tom:
>
> About the picture that you posted.  Is that water draining or ice?  Was
> there water in the bilge?  Did you look under the floor boards in the 
> cabin?
>
> Ed K
> Greenville, SC, USA
> Addendum - definition:
> confabulate
> 1. To talk casually; chat; schmooze
> 2. Psychology - To fill in gaps in one's memory with fabrications that one
> believes to be facts.
>
>
>
>
> The boat is at Casa Rio Marina in Mayo, Maryland,  just down the road from
> my marina where I launched.  I was referred there by an instructor from a
> local sailing school.  They sounded familiar with Rhodes, and will do the
> repair.  Should I trust them to know this?  I thought about taking it to
> Stan, but the trip would cost almost as much as the work.
> Tom
>
>
>
> Miracleboat wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>   I just finished major repairs to my hull.  I have an '81Rhodes.  My
>> only advice would to be very aggressive in seeing the cement under
>> the head area.  My delamination was under there and  I was already on
>> stands when I took up my flooring job to take a closer look at the
>> cement which is used for ballast in the forward belly of the boat,
>> just aft of the foam.
>>
>> My leak came all the way back through the cement and into the bilge
>> when I tried to launch last year. I was already in the process of
>> stripping off all the gelcoat
>> and applied 10+layers of West System epoxy with Barrier Coating.
>>
>>
>> good luck
>> Lou Rosenberg
>> s/v Miracles
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>> On Aug 6, 2008, at 3:44 PM, Tom Hogarty wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p18858215/Rhodes22%2Bleaking%2Bhull%
>>> 2B009.jpg
>>>
>>> Finally launched, but leaked, and trailered to repair.  Appeared to
>>> fellows
>>> in the marine shop to be winter damage from freezing water.  It was
>>> a really
>>> nasty winter in Lake Geneva, Wisconsin, from where it was shipped.
>>> We are
>>> undaunted and getting good at working with the mast, down much
>>> faster than
>>> up.  Ours is a 1982 model.
>>> Tom Hogarty
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