[Rhodes22-list] hull leak question for Tom
Lowe, Rob
rlowe at vt.edu
Thu Aug 7 09:27:02 EDT 2008
That much water, might check the aft through hull too. Could the hose be
broken? - rob
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Ed,
Good points. See comments in text.
Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY
From: "Tootle" <ekroposki at charter.net>Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008
5:26
PM
>
> Tom:
>
> Here is my assessment.
>
> 1. You local guy who commented that it was caused by freezing may be
> correct. But I am not immediately convinced that is the primary
cause.
I agree. Ice fractures are usually slower leaks.
>
> 2. Any comments posted by Lou Rosenberg should be taken most
seriously
> because of his expertise.
Yes, Lou has first hand knowledge, although the most recent hull
failure was
probably due to a yard or PO who attempted to jack up hull by
using
a bottle
jack under the area just forward of the centerboard keel. Lou
found
a curious
round crack (just like the top of a bottle jack) in the 'glass.
>
> 3. The location indicates to me it is at the leading edge of the
> centerboard well. The centerboard well is made separately from the
hull
> and
> is then joined leaving the potential for a seam at the place where you
> have
> the leak. I think that a hard strike while sailing, retreiving or
other
> unnatural act caused a crack at the seam. The crack may not have
leaked
> thru until a freeze expanded it.
>
I cannot agree or disagree without better observation of the
source
of the
leak. I think that the centerboard truck / fin keel is pretty
sturdy, at least it
was in the early '80s boats.
> My opinion is that the leak is at a defined location and can be fixed
by
> forcing epoxy into the crack. It would help to find the place in the
> bilge
> where the water is coming in. That would be the best place to inject
slow
> setting epoxy into the crack to get it into all nooks and crannies.
>
I would rather find and fix the real problem. Quick fixes
usually
show
up over and over. If there is a structural problem, it should
be
repaired
using newly laid cloth and resin, not just filling of a hole,
unless
the hole
is small and can essentially be "plugged" with the epoxy.
> I would add that I have seen such a leak at that location before and
that
> is
> how it was mended.
>
Maybe this is the same boat!!
> However, I do not pretend to be the oracle of all knowledge and do get
and
> evaluate all opinions.
None of us are. That's why there are 3 opinions as to the best
method of
repair for every pair of us on the list.
>
> Ed K
> Greenville, SC, USA
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p18859157/Go%2BAsk%2BObama.jpg
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>
> Attachment:
>
>
>
>
> Ed,
> That's warm Chesapeake Bay water. Photo was taken yesterday. Came in
> fairly quickly, and was above the cabin floor in less than 10 minutes.
We
> were still at the ramp. Boat was dry prior to launch.
> Tom
>
>
>
> Tom:
>
> About the picture that you posted. Is that water draining or ice?
Was
> there water in the bilge? Did you look under the floor boards in the
> cabin?
>
> Ed K
> Greenville, SC, USA
> Addendum - definition:
> confabulate
> 1. To talk casually; chat; schmooze
> 2. Psychology - To fill in gaps in one's memory with fabrications that
one
> believes to be facts.
>
>
>
>
> The boat is at Casa Rio Marina in Mayo, Maryland, just down the road
from
> my marina where I launched. I was referred there by an instructor
from a
> local sailing school. They sounded familiar with Rhodes, and will do
the
> repair. Should I trust them to know this? I thought about taking it
to
> Stan, but the trip would cost almost as much as the work.
> Tom
>
>
>
> Miracleboat wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I just finished major repairs to my hull. I have an '81Rhodes. My
>> only advice would to be very aggressive in seeing the cement under
>> the head area. My delamination was under there and I was already on
>> stands when I took up my flooring job to take a closer look at the
>> cement which is used for ballast in the forward belly of the boat,
>> just aft of the foam.
>>
>> My leak came all the way back through the cement and into the bilge
>> when I tried to launch last year. I was already in the process of
>> stripping off all the gelcoat
>> and applied 10+layers of West System epoxy with Barrier Coating.
>>
>>
>> good luck
>> Lou Rosenberg
>> s/v Miracles
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>> On Aug 6, 2008, at 3:44 PM, Tom Hogarty wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p18858215/Rhodes22%2Bleaking%2Bhull%
>>> 2B009.jpg
>>>
>>> Finally launched, but leaked, and trailered to repair. Appeared to
>>> fellows
>>> in the marine shop to be winter damage from freezing water. It was
>>> a really
>>> nasty winter in Lake Geneva, Wisconsin, from where it was shipped.
>>> We are
>>> undaunted and getting good at working with the mast, down much
>>> faster than
>>> up. Ours is a 1982 model.
>>> Tom Hogarty
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