[Rhodes22-list] bill?
Ben Cittadino
bcittadino at dcs-law.com
Fri Dec 5 14:46:18 EST 2008
Three things;
1) The Selective Service System still exists and 18 year old men are still
required to register (although no one has actually been drafted since the
early '70s).
2) The Defense Department explored requiring women to register in 2004, but
the idea was shelved (for obvious reasons).
3) The whole "when did WWII actually start" discussion is irrelevant to the
reason the issue was raised here. I understood someone remarked that the
Iraq War has lasted longer than WWII to make the point that the public had
been very patient with the incompetent leadership of Rumsfeld et al., in the
face of someone else commenting that the public seems to require victory in
an unreasonably short time (the length of a movie as I recall). Well, the US
INVOLVEMENT in WWII was a heck of alot shorter than our adventure in Iraq
(the "Flying Tigers" notwithstanding) and the US public has been more than
patient in my view, especially when the pretexts for war were discredited
long ago.
Ben C.
Robert Skinner wrote:
>
> Herb,
>
> You are as twisty as a pole dancer's knickers.
> Gotta give you credit for that. But you must
> acknowledge that I did not call Brad a bigot.
> What I said was "this is uncomfortably close
> to the line between humor and bad taste."
>
> You will notice, should you care to indulge in
> a dose of reality, that I did not mention
> Palin, "mooselini", "ya'llsville", or "double
> standards."
>
> You have no cause for complaint. Moreover,
> Brad is big enough to take care of himself.
> Do you pile on just for fun?
>
> Further, I know of no regulation that says I
> have to answer your question, assertion, contumely,
> or other form of communication. However I said
> what I have to say on the subject of standards -
> one to a customer.
>
> I'll grant you that your interpretation of god's
> word is just as valid as Osama's. Or are there
> two gods? Maybe one to a customer? Now there's
> a question for you!
>
> I surmise that you have already enjoyed the
> horse you rode in on, so that leaves just
> you needing attention... Enjoy!
>
> /Robert, ME
>
> Herb Parsons wrote:
>> Which, of course, entirely avoids answering my question.
>>
>> It was pretty simple.
>>
>> If Brad laughing at a tasteless joke (in my opinion, it was), like that
>> makes him appear to come off as a bigot; what does stupid statements
>> like "mooselini" about Palin, or comments about ME being from
>> "ya'llsville" make THOSE people.
>>
>> You were the one that made comments about possible bigotry, so I'm
>> asking you the question. What do you think of people that make jokes
>> about on others based on unfounded generalities?
>>
>> Again, bigotry is bigotry.
>>
>>
>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>>> Actually, Herb, there are as many standards as there
>>> are people, right or left. While we tend to group
>>> them in various ways, I have never found two people
>>> who had identical standards -- not even Catholic
>>> priests.
>>>
>>> /Robert, ME
>>>
>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>
>>>> Waitaminute
>>>>
>>>> If Brad laughing at a tasteless joke (in my opinion, it was), like that
>>>> makes him appear to come off as a bigot; what does stupid statements
>>>> like "mooselini" about Palin, or comments about ME being from
>>>> "ya'llsville" make THOSE people.
>>>>
>>>> The double-standards of the left are simply amazing.
>>>>
>>>> Face it, bigotry is bigotry, whether it's about race or what part of
>>>> the
>>>> country a person is from.
>>>>
>>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Obama is president-elect, not a pimp.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad - I'm sure that you don't want to
>>>>> come off as a bigot - I have seen no
>>>>> evidence of that to date - but this is
>>>>> uncomfortably close to the line between
>>>>> humor and bad taste
>>>>>
>>>>> /Robert, ME
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You gotta admit, history is being made. Here's a review of
>>>>>> Presidential limos.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.jibjab.com/view/258672
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 8:42 PM, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I like to think I'm in the "what's best for my country" camp, and
>>>>>>> against the hypocrisy camp.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> George Bush got into office by saying one thing and doing another.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> opposed that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Obama got into office the same way. I oppose that, too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Both men are inexperienced, relying on the knowledge of those
>>>>>>> surrounding them. It's a bad formula. The other people in the room
>>>>>>> won't agree on many things. The least experienced person winds up
>>>>>>> making the decision on a "gut feel".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Both Bush and Obama were selected by political machines as the
>>>>>>> electable
>>>>>>> face of unelectable policies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It didn't work well for the Republicans. It's not going to work
>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>> for the Democrats, either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As you well know, we've got really really big problems. Things will
>>>>>>> probably never go back to where they were. Our country's position
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> likely to deteriorate, along with the position of most individuals.
>>>>>>> There are smarter moves, and dumber moves. Moves that will leave us
>>>>>>> better off, and moves that will leave us worse off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Democrats are settling scores--they are not working for the
>>>>>>> common good.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As you know, I am voting against my pocketbook. The Democrat's
>>>>>>> policies
>>>>>>> benefit me. If I lose, I win. But, at least I can live with
>>>>>>> myself,
>>>>>>> having tried to work for what I believe is right.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe if enough people speak up early enough we can stop throwing
>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>> money into a bottomless pit, and start actually working our way out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> michael meltzer wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bill I am confused, I will admit it does not take much more me to
>>>>>>>> be in that conduction but.....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For the most part you have been in the democratic camp, what
>>>>>>>> happened? It seems that "O" has you more than a little pissed
>>>>>>>> off.....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -mjm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill
>>>>>>>> Effros
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:01 PM
>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics - Palin - Twain
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David Brooks!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One of the neo-cons who got just about everything wrong for the
>>>>>>>> past 8
>>>>>>>> years!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ben, why didn't you quote this from a more recent column:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Barack Obama and his team should put into action a foreign policy
>>>>>>>> doctrine that builds on some of the ideas developed during George
>>>>>>>> W.
>>>>>>>> Bush's term."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This isn't a football game, and it doesn't matter who you "root"
>>>>>>>> for.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This country is proceeding on an incoherent course which most
>>>>>>>> ordinary
>>>>>>>> Americans can see can't possibly work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The "Bailout" is already a fiasco -- and make no mistake, it's a
>>>>>>>> Democrat fiasco.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bailing out auto unions is a payoff, plain and simple.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Citibank paid $400 Million to call the new Mets stadium "Citi
>>>>>>>> Field" --
>>>>>>>> and now the taxpayers are giving them their money back--BRILLIANT!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Obama is following exactly the same course Herbert Hoover followed
>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>> the stock market crash. Public works projects. Rooting for the
>>>>>>>> home team.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It didn't work then, and it won't work now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe, just maybe, there's a better way. Obama was elected to
>>>>>>>> bring
>>>>>>>> change, not more of the same, and it's never too early to notice
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> emperor has no clothes on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Listening to David Brooks is not likely to be the better way, he's
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>> another "well-educated" dope.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Folks;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mr Effros opines that "once again the country has decided to make
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> dumbest person in the room the decider". I agree with Mr. Brooks
>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>> NYTimes who wrote recently:
>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "November 21, 2008
>>>>>>>>> Op-Ed Columnist
>>>>>>>>> The Insider's Crusade
>>>>>>>>> By DAVID BROOKS
>>>>>>>>> Jan. 20, 2009, will be a historic day. Barack Obama (Columbia,
>>>>>>>>> Harvard Law)
>>>>>>>>> will take the oath of office as his wife, Michelle (Princeton,
>>>>>>>>> Harvard Law),
>>>>>>>>> looks on proudly. Nearby, his foreign policy advisers will stand
>>>>>>>>> beaming,
>>>>>>>>> including perhaps Hillary Clinton (Wellesley, Yale Law), Jim
>>>>>>>>> Steinberg
>>>>>>>>> (Harvard, Yale Law) and Susan Rice (Stanford, Oxford D. Phil.).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The domestic policy team will be there, too, including Jason
>>>>>>>>> Furman
>>>>>>>>> (Harvard, Harvard Ph.D.), Austan Goolsbee (Yale, M.I.T. Ph.D.),
>>>>>>>>> Blair Levin
>>>>>>>>> (Yale, Yale Law), Peter Orszag (Princeton, London School of
>>>>>>>>> Economics Ph.D.)
>>>>>>>>> and, of course, the White House Counsel Greg Craig (Harvard, Yale
>>>>>>>>> Law).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This truly will be an administration that looks like America, or
>>>>>>>>> at least
>>>>>>>>> that slice of America that got double 800s on their SATs. Even
>>>>>>>>> more than
>>>>>>>>> past administrations, this will be a valedictocracy — rule by
>>>>>>>>> those who
>>>>>>>>> graduate first in their high school classes. If a foreign enemy
>>>>>>>>> attacks the
>>>>>>>>> United States during the Harvard-Yale game any time over the next
>>>>>>>>> four
>>>>>>>>> years, we're screwed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Already the culture of the Obama administration is coming into
>>>>>>>>> focus. Its
>>>>>>>>> members are twice as smart as the poor reporters who have to cover
>>>>>>>>> them,
>>>>>>>>> three times if you include the columnists. They typically served
>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>> Clinton administration and then, like Cincinnatus, retreated to
>>>>>>>>> the comforts
>>>>>>>>> of private life — that is, if Cincinnatus had worked at Goldman
>>>>>>>>> Sachs,
>>>>>>>>> Williams & Connolly or the Brookings Institution. So many of them
>>>>>>>>> send their
>>>>>>>>> kids to Georgetown Day School, the posh leftish private school in
>>>>>>>>> D.C., that
>>>>>>>>> they'll be able to hold White House staff meetings in the carpool
>>>>>>>>> line.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And yet as much as I want to resent these overeducated
>>>>>>>>> Achievatrons (not to
>>>>>>>>> mention the incursion of a French-style government dominated by
>>>>>>>>> highly
>>>>>>>>> trained Enarchs), I find myself tremendously impressed by the
>>>>>>>>> Obama
>>>>>>>>> transition.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The fact that they can already leak one big appointee per day is
>>>>>>>>> testimony
>>>>>>>>> to an awful lot of expert staff work. Unlike past Democratic
>>>>>>>>> administrations, they are not just handing out jobs to the hacks
>>>>>>>>> approved by
>>>>>>>>> the favored interest groups. They're thinking holistically —
>>>>>>>>> there's a nice
>>>>>>>>> balance of policy wonks, governors and legislators. They're also
>>>>>>>>> thinking
>>>>>>>>> strategically. As Norman Ornstein of the American Enterprise
>>>>>>>>> Institute
>>>>>>>>> notes, it was smart to name Tom Daschle both the head of Health
>>>>>>>>> and Human
>>>>>>>>> Services and the health czar. Splitting those duties up, as Bill
>>>>>>>>> Clinton
>>>>>>>>> did, leads to all sorts of conflicts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Most of all, they are picking Washington insiders. Or to be more
>>>>>>>>> precise,
>>>>>>>>> they are picking the best of the Washington insiders.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Obama seems to have dispensed with the romantic and failed notion
>>>>>>>>> that you
>>>>>>>>> need inexperienced "fresh faces" to change things. After all, it
>>>>>>>>> was L.B.J.
>>>>>>>>> who passed the Civil Rights Act. Moreover, because he is so young,
>>>>>>>>> Obama is
>>>>>>>>> not bringing along an insular coterie of lifelong aides who depend
>>>>>>>>> upon him
>>>>>>>>> for their well-being.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As a result, the team he has announced so far is more impressive
>>>>>>>>> than any
>>>>>>>>> other in recent memory. One may not agree with them on everything
>>>>>>>>> or even
>>>>>>>>> most things, but a few things are indisputably true.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> First, these are open-minded individuals who are persuadable by
>>>>>>>>> evidence.
>>>>>>>>> Orszag, who will probably be budget director, is trusted by
>>>>>>>>> Republicans and
>>>>>>>>> Democrats for his honest presentation of the facts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Second, they are admired professionals. Conservative legal experts
>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>> high regard for the probable attorney general, Eric Holder,
>>>>>>>>> despite the
>>>>>>>>> business over the Marc Rich pardon.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Third, they are not excessively partisan. Obama signaled that he
>>>>>>>>> means to
>>>>>>>>> live up to his postpartisan rhetoric by letting Joe Lieberman keep
>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>> committee chairmanship.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Fourth, they are not ideological. The economic advisers, Furman
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> Goolsbee, are moderate and thoughtful Democrats. Hillary Clinton
>>>>>>>>> at State is
>>>>>>>>> problematic, mostly because nobody has a role for her husband.
>>>>>>>>> But, as she
>>>>>>>>> has demonstrated in the Senate, her foreign-policy views are
>>>>>>>>> hardheaded and
>>>>>>>>> pragmatic. (It would be great to see her set of interests
>>>>>>>>> complemented by
>>>>>>>>> Samantha Power's set of interests at the U.N.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Finally, there are many people on this team with practical
>>>>>>>>> creativity. Any
>>>>>>>>> think tanker can come up with broad doctrines, but it is rare to
>>>>>>>>> find people
>>>>>>>>> who can give the president a list of concrete steps he can do day
>>>>>>>>> by day to
>>>>>>>>> advance American interests. Dennis Ross, who advised Obama during
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> campaign, is the best I've ever seen at this, but Rahm Emanuel
>>>>>>>>> also has this
>>>>>>>>> capacity, as does Craig and legislative liaison Phil Schiliro.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Believe me, I'm trying not to join in the vast, heaving O-phoria
>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>> sweeping the coastal haute bourgeoisie. But the personnel
>>>>>>>>> decisions have
>>>>>>>>> been superb. The events of the past two weeks should be reassuring
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> anybody who feared that Obama would veer to the left or would
>>>>>>>>> suffer
>>>>>>>>> self-inflicted wounds because of his inexperience. He's off to a
>>>>>>>>> start that
>>>>>>>>> nearly justifies the hype."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Copyright 2008 New York Times
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't remember writing off Presdent GW Bush early. In fact
>>>>>>>>> there was
>>>>>>>>> great hope he could be the compassionate conservative, but he ran
>>>>>>>>> off the
>>>>>>>>> rails in ways we have already discussed. We're in a mess all
>>>>>>>>> right, but if
>>>>>>>>> it is possible to use our brains to get out of it, then Obama has
>>>>>>>>> surely
>>>>>>>>> recruited the best the most intelligent people in the country to
>>>>>>>>> get down to
>>>>>>>>> business.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Remember David Brooks is well known and accepted as a conservative
>>>>>>>>> Republican by all reasonable comentators. I'm going to withhold
>>>>>>>>> judgment
>>>>>>>>> and give Mr Obama his fair chance at tackling the issues, and I
>>>>>>>>> encourage
>>>>>>>>> everyone to do the same.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> benonvelvetelvis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Save me some room in the storm shelter (we hit water when we dig
>>>>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>>>>> here).
>>>>>>>>>> I'll bring my share of the plastic sheeting and duct tape!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill
>>>>>>>>>> Effros
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 15:30
>>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics - Palin - Twain
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rummy,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We didn't have to wait for Bush to get into the White House to
>>>>>>>>>> write him
>>>>>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They both ran as "outsiders" and "agents of change" who were
>>>>>>>>>> going to
>>>>>>>>>> change Washington "business as usual".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But what do we see? Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rahm Emanuel, Robert
>>>>>>>>>> Gates,
>>>>>>>>>> Hillary Clinton, Bill Richardson, Joe Biden--same people,
>>>>>>>>>> different day.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Democrats are awarding the "spoils" to the people who elected
>>>>>>>>>> them:
>>>>>>>>>> Lawyers; Wall Street; Organized Labor; Big Farmers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, the country is spiraling downward, the Democrats will
>>>>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>>>>> go to continuous feed web presses or larger denominations to
>>>>>>>>>> print the
>>>>>>>>>> money fast enough, the "global warming" opposition will be
>>>>>>>>>> chucked under
>>>>>>>>>> the bus as the "public works projects" start to gear up. The
>>>>>>>>>> rest of
>>>>>>>>>> the world has its own problems -- they're not going to bail us
>>>>>>>>>> out this
>>>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And what about Afghanistan? You think Vietnam was tough terrain?
>>>>>>>>>> Not
>>>>>>>>>> to mention the fact that Afghanistan is twice the size of all of
>>>>>>>>>> Vietnam. How many soldiers did we have in South Vietnam when you
>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>> there? How many do you think it will take to lose in
>>>>>>>>>> Afghanistan?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is zero evidence that this guy is a smart man. This
>>>>>>>>>> country has
>>>>>>>>>> again made the dumbest person in the room "the decider". I
>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>> didn't think people would make that same mistake again, but, here
>>>>>>>>>> we are!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Professional politicians continue to run this country. They are
>>>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>>> it into the ground. We should let the banks go bankrupt; only
>>>>>>>>>> profitable automobile companies will survive; if people overpaid
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> their homes they should give them up; if people don't have jobs
>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>> should stop going to the mall; if we think we've got to fight
>>>>>>>>>> wars all
>>>>>>>>>> over the place, lets draft the soldiers; building dams and roads
>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>> not make the earth greener; public works projects don't end
>>>>>>>>>> depressions.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We haven't heard one good idea from this guy. When push comes to
>>>>>>>>>> shove,
>>>>>>>>>> he always reneges. And you think we should wait for 4 years
>>>>>>>>>> before we
>>>>>>>>>> call him on it?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not me. We're heading for tough times, and everybody is to
>>>>>>>>>> blame. But
>>>>>>>>>> blaming won't help. Burning food, bailing out ridiculous union
>>>>>>>>>> contracts, letting people live in homes they can't afford,
>>>>>>>>>> printing more
>>>>>>>>>> money, paying off debts with worthless paper -- will only make
>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>> worse. I'll speak up now.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bill,
>>>>>>>>>>> Lighten up. Your blood vessels in your head are about to
>>>>>>>>>>> explode. Obama
>>>>>>>>>>> isn't even in the white house yet and you are writing him off
>>>>>>>>>>> already.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, he
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> certainly has his hands full, cleaning up the mess from the last
>>>>>>>>>>> eight
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> years,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> but he's a smart man and will get the job done. Cut him a little
>>>>>>>>>>> slack.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> four years if he hasn't done a good job, then you can replace
>>>>>>>>>>> him. Until
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> then,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> lighten up Francis.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rummy
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 12/3/2008 12:17:17 P.M. Eastern Standard
>>>>>>>>>>> Time,
>>>>>>>>>>> bill at effros.com writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Too bad it didn't work...she was unable to get out the
>>>>>>>>>>> Republican vote
>>>>>>>>>>> while Obama's field offices brought out the Democrats en
>>>>>>>>>>> masse...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's less than a month later, and the Democrats don't seem to
>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>> clue that they've got a real problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Did you notice that China has announced they aren't going to
>>>>>>>>>>> bail us out
>>>>>>>>>>> this time?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "The report of my death is greatly exaggerated" - Mark Twain
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, Sarah came down to Georgia.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chambliss: Palin 'allowed us to peak'
>>>>>>>>>>>> By: Andy Barr
>>>>>>>>>>>> December 3, 2008 11:29 AM EST
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Fresh off his runoff victory Tuesday night, Georgia Republican
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sen.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Saxby Chambliss credited Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin with firing
>>>>>>>>>>>> up his
>>>>>>>>>>>> base.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "I can't overstate the impact she had down here," Chambliss
>>>>>>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>>>>>>> during an interview Wednesday morning on Fox News.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "When she walks in a room, folks just explode," he added. "And
>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>> really did pack the house everywhere we went. She's a dynamic
>>>>>>>>>>>> lady, a
>>>>>>>>>>>> great administrator, and I think she's got a great future in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican Party."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chambliss said that after watching her campaign on his behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>> several events Monday, he does not see her star status
>>>>>>>>>>>> diminishing
>>>>>>>>>>>> within the party.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Republican also thanked John McCain and the other big name
>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans that came to Georgia, but said Palin made the
>>>>>>>>>>>> biggest
>>>>>>>>>>>> impact.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "We had John McCain and Mike Huckabee and Gov. Romney and Rudy
>>>>>>>>>>>> Giuliani, but Sarah Palin came in on the last day, did a
>>>>>>>>>>>> fly-around
>>>>>>>>>>>> and, man, she was dynamite," he said. "We packed the houses
>>>>>>>>>>>> everywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>> we went. And it really did allow us to peak and get our base
>>>>>>>>>>>> fired
>>>>>>>>>>>> up."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But as Chambliss heaped praise on Palin and other big-ticket
>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans that came to Georgia on his behalf, he questioned
>>>>>>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>>>>>>> President-elect Barack Obama would not use his star power to
>>>>>>>>>>>> aid his
>>>>>>>>>>>> Democratic opponent Jim Martin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "I have no idea why he didn't come down," Chambliss said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "His people were here. His organization was here," he added.
>>>>>>>>>>>> "They
>>>>>>>>>>>> really did a good job in the general election of turning out
>>>>>>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>>>>>>> And whatever their game plan was this time, if he had been
>>>>>>>>>>>> here, I
>>>>>>>>>>>> have no idea whether it would have worked better."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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