[Rhodes22-list] bill?
Brad Haslett
flybrad at gmail.com
Fri Dec 5 16:46:19 EST 2008
Correction, make that 1991, not 2001 (I was in a bar in London when
the shooting started).
Brad
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 3:44 PM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ben,
>
> Regarding item #3 - it is not irrelevant. If you ask anyone over age
> 50 when WW2 started, they would most likely say December 7, 1941 (not
> knowing or forgetting about Europe or China). Ask someone younger
> than 30 and the answer would be, HUH? The war in the Iraq started no
> later than 2001 - earlier if you want to count our support for Iraq
> against Iran. Bush 41 stopped short of taking out Saddam because that
> wasn't the wishes of the coalition. Clinton maintained our presence
> in Iraq throughout his administration and enforced the no-fly zones
> (while Iraq shot at our planes). Bush 43 followed the previous
> administration's policy of regime change. Now that Obama is soon
> taking office, he too is following the previous administration's
> policy in Iraq. When did the the Gulf War start? It's kinda hard to
> pin that down, just like the end. BTW, aren't we still in the
> Balkans?
>
> Brad
>
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Ben Cittadino <bcittadino at dcs-law.com> wrote:
>>
>> Three things;
>>
>> 1) The Selective Service System still exists and 18 year old men are still
>> required to register (although no one has actually been drafted since the
>> early '70s).
>>
>> 2) The Defense Department explored requiring women to register in 2004, but
>> the idea was shelved (for obvious reasons).
>>
>> 3) The whole "when did WWII actually start" discussion is irrelevant to the
>> reason the issue was raised here. I understood someone remarked that the
>> Iraq War has lasted longer than WWII to make the point that the public had
>> been very patient with the incompetent leadership of Rumsfeld et al., in the
>> face of someone else commenting that the public seems to require victory in
>> an unreasonably short time (the length of a movie as I recall). Well, the US
>> INVOLVEMENT in WWII was a heck of alot shorter than our adventure in Iraq
>> (the "Flying Tigers" notwithstanding) and the US public has been more than
>> patient in my view, especially when the pretexts for war were discredited
>> long ago.
>>
>> Ben C.
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>>>
>>> Herb,
>>>
>>> You are as twisty as a pole dancer's knickers.
>>> Gotta give you credit for that. But you must
>>> acknowledge that I did not call Brad a bigot.
>>> What I said was "this is uncomfortably close
>>> to the line between humor and bad taste."
>>>
>>> You will notice, should you care to indulge in
>>> a dose of reality, that I did not mention
>>> Palin, "mooselini", "ya'llsville", or "double
>>> standards."
>>>
>>> You have no cause for complaint. Moreover,
>>> Brad is big enough to take care of himself.
>>> Do you pile on just for fun?
>>>
>>> Further, I know of no regulation that says I
>>> have to answer your question, assertion, contumely,
>>> or other form of communication. However I said
>>> what I have to say on the subject of standards -
>>> one to a customer.
>>>
>>> I'll grant you that your interpretation of god's
>>> word is just as valid as Osama's. Or are there
>>> two gods? Maybe one to a customer? Now there's
>>> a question for you!
>>>
>>> I surmise that you have already enjoyed the
>>> horse you rode in on, so that leaves just
>>> you needing attention... Enjoy!
>>>
>>> /Robert, ME
>>>
>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>> Which, of course, entirely avoids answering my question.
>>>>
>>>> It was pretty simple.
>>>>
>>>> If Brad laughing at a tasteless joke (in my opinion, it was), like that
>>>> makes him appear to come off as a bigot; what does stupid statements
>>>> like "mooselini" about Palin, or comments about ME being from
>>>> "ya'llsville" make THOSE people.
>>>>
>>>> You were the one that made comments about possible bigotry, so I'm
>>>> asking you the question. What do you think of people that make jokes
>>>> about on others based on unfounded generalities?
>>>>
>>>> Again, bigotry is bigotry.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>>>>> Actually, Herb, there are as many standards as there
>>>>> are people, right or left. While we tend to group
>>>>> them in various ways, I have never found two people
>>>>> who had identical standards -- not even Catholic
>>>>> priests.
>>>>>
>>>>> /Robert, ME
>>>>>
>>>>> Herb Parsons wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Waitaminute
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If Brad laughing at a tasteless joke (in my opinion, it was), like that
>>>>>> makes him appear to come off as a bigot; what does stupid statements
>>>>>> like "mooselini" about Palin, or comments about ME being from
>>>>>> "ya'llsville" make THOSE people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The double-standards of the left are simply amazing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Face it, bigotry is bigotry, whether it's about race or what part of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> country a person is from.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert Skinner wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Obama is president-elect, not a pimp.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brad - I'm sure that you don't want to
>>>>>>> come off as a bigot - I have seen no
>>>>>>> evidence of that to date - but this is
>>>>>>> uncomfortably close to the line between
>>>>>>> humor and bad taste
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /Robert, ME
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bill,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You gotta admit, history is being made. Here's a review of
>>>>>>>> Presidential limos.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.jibjab.com/view/258672
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 8:42 PM, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I like to think I'm in the "what's best for my country" camp, and
>>>>>>>>> against the hypocrisy camp.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> George Bush got into office by saying one thing and doing another.
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> opposed that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Obama got into office the same way. I oppose that, too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Both men are inexperienced, relying on the knowledge of those
>>>>>>>>> surrounding them. It's a bad formula. The other people in the room
>>>>>>>>> won't agree on many things. The least experienced person winds up
>>>>>>>>> making the decision on a "gut feel".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Both Bush and Obama were selected by political machines as the
>>>>>>>>> electable
>>>>>>>>> face of unelectable policies.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It didn't work well for the Republicans. It's not going to work
>>>>>>>>> well
>>>>>>>>> for the Democrats, either.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As you well know, we've got really really big problems. Things will
>>>>>>>>> probably never go back to where they were. Our country's position
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> likely to deteriorate, along with the position of most individuals.
>>>>>>>>> There are smarter moves, and dumber moves. Moves that will leave us
>>>>>>>>> better off, and moves that will leave us worse off.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Democrats are settling scores--they are not working for the
>>>>>>>>> common good.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As you know, I am voting against my pocketbook. The Democrat's
>>>>>>>>> policies
>>>>>>>>> benefit me. If I lose, I win. But, at least I can live with
>>>>>>>>> myself,
>>>>>>>>> having tried to work for what I believe is right.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe if enough people speak up early enough we can stop throwing
>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>> money into a bottomless pit, and start actually working our way out.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> michael meltzer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bill I am confused, I will admit it does not take much more me to
>>>>>>>>>> be in that conduction but.....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For the most part you have been in the democratic camp, what
>>>>>>>>>> happened? It seems that "O" has you more than a little pissed
>>>>>>>>>> off.....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -mjm
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill
>>>>>>>>>> Effros
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:01 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics - Palin - Twain
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> David Brooks!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> One of the neo-cons who got just about everything wrong for the
>>>>>>>>>> past 8
>>>>>>>>>> years!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ben, why didn't you quote this from a more recent column:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Barack Obama and his team should put into action a foreign policy
>>>>>>>>>> doctrine that builds on some of the ideas developed during George
>>>>>>>>>> W.
>>>>>>>>>> Bush's term."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This isn't a football game, and it doesn't matter who you "root"
>>>>>>>>>> for.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This country is proceeding on an incoherent course which most
>>>>>>>>>> ordinary
>>>>>>>>>> Americans can see can't possibly work.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The "Bailout" is already a fiasco -- and make no mistake, it's a
>>>>>>>>>> Democrat fiasco.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bailing out auto unions is a payoff, plain and simple.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Citibank paid $400 Million to call the new Mets stadium "Citi
>>>>>>>>>> Field" --
>>>>>>>>>> and now the taxpayers are giving them their money back--BRILLIANT!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Obama is following exactly the same course Herbert Hoover followed
>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>> the stock market crash. Public works projects. Rooting for the
>>>>>>>>>> home team.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It didn't work then, and it won't work now.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe, just maybe, there's a better way. Obama was elected to
>>>>>>>>>> bring
>>>>>>>>>> change, not more of the same, and it's never too early to notice
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> emperor has no clothes on.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Listening to David Brooks is not likely to be the better way, he's
>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>> another "well-educated" dope.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Folks;
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mr Effros opines that "once again the country has decided to make
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> dumbest person in the room the decider". I agree with Mr. Brooks
>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>> NYTimes who wrote recently:
>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "November 21, 2008
>>>>>>>>>>> Op-Ed Columnist
>>>>>>>>>>> The Insider's Crusade
>>>>>>>>>>> By DAVID BROOKS
>>>>>>>>>>> Jan. 20, 2009, will be a historic day. Barack Obama (Columbia,
>>>>>>>>>>> Harvard Law)
>>>>>>>>>>> will take the oath of office as his wife, Michelle (Princeton,
>>>>>>>>>>> Harvard Law),
>>>>>>>>>>> looks on proudly. Nearby, his foreign policy advisers will stand
>>>>>>>>>>> beaming,
>>>>>>>>>>> including perhaps Hillary Clinton (Wellesley, Yale Law), Jim
>>>>>>>>>>> Steinberg
>>>>>>>>>>> (Harvard, Yale Law) and Susan Rice (Stanford, Oxford D. Phil.).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The domestic policy team will be there, too, including Jason
>>>>>>>>>>> Furman
>>>>>>>>>>> (Harvard, Harvard Ph.D.), Austan Goolsbee (Yale, M.I.T. Ph.D.),
>>>>>>>>>>> Blair Levin
>>>>>>>>>>> (Yale, Yale Law), Peter Orszag (Princeton, London School of
>>>>>>>>>>> Economics Ph.D.)
>>>>>>>>>>> and, of course, the White House Counsel Greg Craig (Harvard, Yale
>>>>>>>>>>> Law).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This truly will be an administration that looks like America, or
>>>>>>>>>>> at least
>>>>>>>>>>> that slice of America that got double 800s on their SATs. Even
>>>>>>>>>>> more than
>>>>>>>>>>> past administrations, this will be a valedictocracy — rule by
>>>>>>>>>>> those who
>>>>>>>>>>> graduate first in their high school classes. If a foreign enemy
>>>>>>>>>>> attacks the
>>>>>>>>>>> United States during the Harvard-Yale game any time over the next
>>>>>>>>>>> four
>>>>>>>>>>> years, we're screwed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Already the culture of the Obama administration is coming into
>>>>>>>>>>> focus. Its
>>>>>>>>>>> members are twice as smart as the poor reporters who have to cover
>>>>>>>>>>> them,
>>>>>>>>>>> three times if you include the columnists. They typically served
>>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>>> Clinton administration and then, like Cincinnatus, retreated to
>>>>>>>>>>> the comforts
>>>>>>>>>>> of private life — that is, if Cincinnatus had worked at Goldman
>>>>>>>>>>> Sachs,
>>>>>>>>>>> Williams & Connolly or the Brookings Institution. So many of them
>>>>>>>>>>> send their
>>>>>>>>>>> kids to Georgetown Day School, the posh leftish private school in
>>>>>>>>>>> D.C., that
>>>>>>>>>>> they'll be able to hold White House staff meetings in the carpool
>>>>>>>>>>> line.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And yet as much as I want to resent these overeducated
>>>>>>>>>>> Achievatrons (not to
>>>>>>>>>>> mention the incursion of a French-style government dominated by
>>>>>>>>>>> highly
>>>>>>>>>>> trained Enarchs), I find myself tremendously impressed by the
>>>>>>>>>>> Obama
>>>>>>>>>>> transition.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The fact that they can already leak one big appointee per day is
>>>>>>>>>>> testimony
>>>>>>>>>>> to an awful lot of expert staff work. Unlike past Democratic
>>>>>>>>>>> administrations, they are not just handing out jobs to the hacks
>>>>>>>>>>> approved by
>>>>>>>>>>> the favored interest groups. They're thinking holistically —
>>>>>>>>>>> there's a nice
>>>>>>>>>>> balance of policy wonks, governors and legislators. They're also
>>>>>>>>>>> thinking
>>>>>>>>>>> strategically. As Norman Ornstein of the American Enterprise
>>>>>>>>>>> Institute
>>>>>>>>>>> notes, it was smart to name Tom Daschle both the head of Health
>>>>>>>>>>> and Human
>>>>>>>>>>> Services and the health czar. Splitting those duties up, as Bill
>>>>>>>>>>> Clinton
>>>>>>>>>>> did, leads to all sorts of conflicts.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Most of all, they are picking Washington insiders. Or to be more
>>>>>>>>>>> precise,
>>>>>>>>>>> they are picking the best of the Washington insiders.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Obama seems to have dispensed with the romantic and failed notion
>>>>>>>>>>> that you
>>>>>>>>>>> need inexperienced "fresh faces" to change things. After all, it
>>>>>>>>>>> was L.B.J.
>>>>>>>>>>> who passed the Civil Rights Act. Moreover, because he is so young,
>>>>>>>>>>> Obama is
>>>>>>>>>>> not bringing along an insular coterie of lifelong aides who depend
>>>>>>>>>>> upon him
>>>>>>>>>>> for their well-being.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As a result, the team he has announced so far is more impressive
>>>>>>>>>>> than any
>>>>>>>>>>> other in recent memory. One may not agree with them on everything
>>>>>>>>>>> or even
>>>>>>>>>>> most things, but a few things are indisputably true.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> First, these are open-minded individuals who are persuadable by
>>>>>>>>>>> evidence.
>>>>>>>>>>> Orszag, who will probably be budget director, is trusted by
>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans and
>>>>>>>>>>> Democrats for his honest presentation of the facts.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Second, they are admired professionals. Conservative legal experts
>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>> high regard for the probable attorney general, Eric Holder,
>>>>>>>>>>> despite the
>>>>>>>>>>> business over the Marc Rich pardon.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Third, they are not excessively partisan. Obama signaled that he
>>>>>>>>>>> means to
>>>>>>>>>>> live up to his postpartisan rhetoric by letting Joe Lieberman keep
>>>>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>>>>> committee chairmanship.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Fourth, they are not ideological. The economic advisers, Furman
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> Goolsbee, are moderate and thoughtful Democrats. Hillary Clinton
>>>>>>>>>>> at State is
>>>>>>>>>>> problematic, mostly because nobody has a role for her husband.
>>>>>>>>>>> But, as she
>>>>>>>>>>> has demonstrated in the Senate, her foreign-policy views are
>>>>>>>>>>> hardheaded and
>>>>>>>>>>> pragmatic. (It would be great to see her set of interests
>>>>>>>>>>> complemented by
>>>>>>>>>>> Samantha Power's set of interests at the U.N.)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Finally, there are many people on this team with practical
>>>>>>>>>>> creativity. Any
>>>>>>>>>>> think tanker can come up with broad doctrines, but it is rare to
>>>>>>>>>>> find people
>>>>>>>>>>> who can give the president a list of concrete steps he can do day
>>>>>>>>>>> by day to
>>>>>>>>>>> advance American interests. Dennis Ross, who advised Obama during
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> campaign, is the best I've ever seen at this, but Rahm Emanuel
>>>>>>>>>>> also has this
>>>>>>>>>>> capacity, as does Craig and legislative liaison Phil Schiliro.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Believe me, I'm trying not to join in the vast, heaving O-phoria
>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>> sweeping the coastal haute bourgeoisie. But the personnel
>>>>>>>>>>> decisions have
>>>>>>>>>>> been superb. The events of the past two weeks should be reassuring
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> anybody who feared that Obama would veer to the left or would
>>>>>>>>>>> suffer
>>>>>>>>>>> self-inflicted wounds because of his inexperience. He's off to a
>>>>>>>>>>> start that
>>>>>>>>>>> nearly justifies the hype."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Copyright 2008 New York Times
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't remember writing off Presdent GW Bush early. In fact
>>>>>>>>>>> there was
>>>>>>>>>>> great hope he could be the compassionate conservative, but he ran
>>>>>>>>>>> off the
>>>>>>>>>>> rails in ways we have already discussed. We're in a mess all
>>>>>>>>>>> right, but if
>>>>>>>>>>> it is possible to use our brains to get out of it, then Obama has
>>>>>>>>>>> surely
>>>>>>>>>>> recruited the best the most intelligent people in the country to
>>>>>>>>>>> get down to
>>>>>>>>>>> business.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Remember David Brooks is well known and accepted as a conservative
>>>>>>>>>>> Republican by all reasonable comentators. I'm going to withhold
>>>>>>>>>>> judgment
>>>>>>>>>>> and give Mr Obama his fair chance at tackling the issues, and I
>>>>>>>>>>> encourage
>>>>>>>>>>> everyone to do the same.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> benonvelvetelvis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Save me some room in the storm shelter (we hit water when we dig
>>>>>>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>>>>>>> here).
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll bring my share of the plastic sheeting and duct tape!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill
>>>>>>>>>>>> Effros
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 15:30
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics - Palin - Twain
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rummy,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We didn't have to wait for Bush to get into the White House to
>>>>>>>>>>>> write him
>>>>>>>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They both ran as "outsiders" and "agents of change" who were
>>>>>>>>>>>> going to
>>>>>>>>>>>> change Washington "business as usual".
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But what do we see? Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rahm Emanuel, Robert
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gates,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hillary Clinton, Bill Richardson, Joe Biden--same people,
>>>>>>>>>>>> different day.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Democrats are awarding the "spoils" to the people who elected
>>>>>>>>>>>> them:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lawyers; Wall Street; Organized Labor; Big Farmers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, the country is spiraling downward, the Democrats will
>>>>>>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>>>>>>> go to continuous feed web presses or larger denominations to
>>>>>>>>>>>> print the
>>>>>>>>>>>> money fast enough, the "global warming" opposition will be
>>>>>>>>>>>> chucked under
>>>>>>>>>>>> the bus as the "public works projects" start to gear up. The
>>>>>>>>>>>> rest of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the world has its own problems -- they're not going to bail us
>>>>>>>>>>>> out this
>>>>>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And what about Afghanistan? You think Vietnam was tough terrain?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not
>>>>>>>>>>>> to mention the fact that Afghanistan is twice the size of all of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Vietnam. How many soldiers did we have in South Vietnam when you
>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>> there? How many do you think it will take to lose in
>>>>>>>>>>>> Afghanistan?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is zero evidence that this guy is a smart man. This
>>>>>>>>>>>> country has
>>>>>>>>>>>> again made the dumbest person in the room "the decider". I
>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't think people would make that same mistake again, but, here
>>>>>>>>>>>> we are!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Professional politicians continue to run this country. They are
>>>>>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>>>>> it into the ground. We should let the banks go bankrupt; only
>>>>>>>>>>>> profitable automobile companies will survive; if people overpaid
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> their homes they should give them up; if people don't have jobs
>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>> should stop going to the mall; if we think we've got to fight
>>>>>>>>>>>> wars all
>>>>>>>>>>>> over the place, lets draft the soldiers; building dams and roads
>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>> not make the earth greener; public works projects don't end
>>>>>>>>>>>> depressions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We haven't heard one good idea from this guy. When push comes to
>>>>>>>>>>>> shove,
>>>>>>>>>>>> he always reneges. And you think we should wait for 4 years
>>>>>>>>>>>> before we
>>>>>>>>>>>> call him on it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not me. We're heading for tough times, and everybody is to
>>>>>>>>>>>> blame. But
>>>>>>>>>>>> blaming won't help. Burning food, bailing out ridiculous union
>>>>>>>>>>>> contracts, letting people live in homes they can't afford,
>>>>>>>>>>>> printing more
>>>>>>>>>>>> money, paying off debts with worthless paper -- will only make
>>>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>>>> worse. I'll speak up now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lighten up. Your blood vessels in your head are about to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> explode. Obama
>>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't even in the white house yet and you are writing him off
>>>>>>>>>>>>> already.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, he
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly has his hands full, cleaning up the mess from the last
>>>>>>>>>>>>> eight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> years,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but he's a smart man and will get the job done. Cut him a little
>>>>>>>>>>>>> slack.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> four years if he hasn't done a good job, then you can replace
>>>>>>>>>>>>> him. Until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> then,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lighten up Francis.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rummy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 12/3/2008 12:17:17 P.M. Eastern Standard
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bill at effros.com writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Too bad it didn't work...she was unable to get out the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican vote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> while Obama's field offices brought out the Democrats en
>>>>>>>>>>>>> masse...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's less than a month later, and the Democrats don't seem to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> clue that they've got a real problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you notice that China has announced they aren't going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bail us out
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this time?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brad Haslett wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The report of my death is greatly exaggerated" - Mark Twain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, Sarah came down to Georgia.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chambliss: Palin 'allowed us to peak'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By: Andy Barr
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> December 3, 2008 11:29 AM EST
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fresh off his runoff victory Tuesday night, Georgia Republican
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sen.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saxby Chambliss credited Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin with firing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> base.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "I can't overstate the impact she had down here," Chambliss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during an interview Wednesday morning on Fox News.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "When she walks in a room, folks just explode," he added. "And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really did pack the house everywhere we went. She's a dynamic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lady, a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great administrator, and I think she's got a great future in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican Party."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chambliss said that after watching her campaign on his behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several events Monday, he does not see her star status
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> diminishing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> within the party.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Republican also thanked John McCain and the other big name
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans that came to Georgia, but said Palin made the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> biggest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impact.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "We had John McCain and Mike Huckabee and Gov. Romney and Rudy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Giuliani, but Sarah Palin came in on the last day, did a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fly-around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and, man, she was dynamite," he said. "We packed the houses
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everywhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we went. And it really did allow us to peak and get our base
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fired
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But as Chambliss heaped praise on Palin and other big-ticket
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans that came to Georgia on his behalf, he questioned
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> President-elect Barack Obama would not use his star power to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aid his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Democratic opponent Jim Martin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "I have no idea why he didn't come down," Chambliss said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "His people were here. His organization was here," he added.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really did a good job in the general election of turning out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And whatever their game plan was this time, if he had been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have no idea whether it would have worked better."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (c) 2008 Capitol News Company, LLC
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