[Rhodes22-list] Political- Caroline To Seek NY Senatorial Seat

Tue Dec 16 09:16:11 EST 2008

Herb,

Speaking of ethnic and religious jokes, do you know why God invented
whiskey?  To keep the Irish from ruling the world.

Well, maybe that doesn't apply to the Kennedys. Anyway, that's the
business of New Yorkers.  She's certainly not any less qualified than
B Hussein Obama was in 2004 (it's OK to use his middle name now that
the election is over, he said so himself). And look at the bright
side, no one's divorce records will be unsealed and lives destroyed so
a "chosen one" can head for the US Senate.

Follow the money!  Rezko owned Blago.  Who funded BHO?  My six
year-old can connect the dots on this one.

Brad

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:09 AM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> You know something Ben, that you totally miss - EVERYONE thinks their
> cause is worthy, and EVERYONE thinks those causes 180 degrees opposite
> are wrong.
>
> The difference between you, and others of your ilk, is the arrogance
> that says "Not only is my cause the worthy one, but anyone that sees
> things differently is not only wrong, but worthy of disdain, because I
> am so obviously right that anyone that differs that strongly from me is
> unAmerican and wrong."
>
> Listen closely to this:
>
> NO GUY, LITTLE OR OTHERWISE GOT LAID OFF. IT WAS A JOKE..
>
> Personally, I would be offended if a boss did such a thing. But I'm NOT
> offended that someone would make a joke about it, but then, that's
> probably because unlike arrogant asses that look to be offended, I was
> smart enough to strongly suspect that no successful boss would be likely
> to do such a thing. In other words, I knew it was a joke. My strong
> suspicions were confirmed when I saw Snopes address the issue.
>
> Like I said before, I let the matter ride when you made your foolish
> swipe at Bill. Unfortunately, you seem to be harboring simmering
> feelings about, and decided to bring it up again. Obviously, you were
> taken in by the joke, and were unwilling to let something that has
> already passed several weeks ago lie. You felt the need to dredge it up
> again.
>
> You claim of "irony", misses the obvious:
>
> You directed you Fuqua at me, and I was never involved in the
> discussions about Fuqua, only in pointing out the Snopes issue. As a
> matter of fact, I can't imagine anyone feeling any indignation at my
> question, which was EXACTLY that, a question.
>
> I'm going to repeat this for you, and then I'm going to drop this bit of
> nonsense. I thought the "Fuqua" was funny. It was funny when Ben said,
> and it was funny when you said it.
>
> However, I think racial jokes are funny, and I think religious jokes are
> funny. I personally take offense at neither because I understand the
> nature of jokes, and think just about all of them are funny to varying
> degrees. However, if I claim offense at a religious joke, then laugh at
> a racial joke, I'm a hypocrite
>
> See if you can figure out the logic behind that, and how it applies here.
>
>
> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>> Herb;
>>
>> Let me try once again to have a serious discussion with you. I'll probably
>> regret it, but here goes.
>>
>> I took offense at Bill's Memo from the CEO, not because it was directed at
>> me (I'm self employed), and not because it was a swipe at Obama or his
>> supporters (we won). If you go back and look you will see that I allowed in
>> my first responsive post to his Memo for the possibility that it was an
>> attempt at humor (so I wasn't scammed).  I simply said that which I believed
>> and still believe; that the mere suggestion of that kind of retaliation is
>> anathema to the American Spirit and way of life. Anyone who saw the faintest
>> hint of humor in that post, ought, in my opinion, to meditate long and hard
>> about the principles upon which this country is based.
>>
>> I have spent my legal career representing little guys against big guys, and
>> it affects me at a gut level when a "boss" lords it over his employees in
>> the arrogant "they got what they deserved" tone expressed in that post, and
>> in your post in this thread using that same language.
>>
>> When Bill used "Fuqua" in place of the common expletive I thought it was
>> classless because of the context in which it was used. If we were talking
>> Giants/Cowboys I would not have been offended. But he used it to belittle my
>> feelings of indignation over the many little guys who have been abused by
>> bullies over the years in the employer/employee context. I used it with you
>> ironicly, just as I said. If you don't get it then you don't get it, but
>> it's significance comes from the fact that we were discussing Bill's use of
>> the term, so my use in response was clearly IRONIC, thus genuinely funny.
>> Actually, the fact that you don't get it is even funnier.
>>
>> Bill can't really offend me; he doesn't know me. All I know about him is he
>> has an interest in sailing and while he seems to be helpful to folks on this
>> list when it comes to sailing, he apparently thinks it's funny when little
>> guys get crushed by big guys ( as in his supposedly funny post about firing
>> people because of their Obama bumber stickers).
>>
>> Don't worry about my thin skin. It heals over quite nicely and is stronger
>> at the places where I earned my scars "on St. Crispan's Day".
>>
>> Have a Merry Christmas. (no joke);
>>
>> Ben C.
>>
>>
>>
>> hparsons wrote:
>>
>>> It's called hypocrisy Ben, look it up.
>>>
>>> It was was play on words when Bill did it. That's because he sees no
>>> harm in it. It's not a thing without class to him. However, you
>>> demonstrated that you feel such a play on words is a classless thing to
>>> you. And then you did it.
>>>
>>> No matter how you twist it, that shows your level of class.
>>>
>>> I also must note, that you seem to always turn things you don't like
>>> into a personal insult. That too, says a lot.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's called IRONY Herb. Look it up.
>>>>
>>>> Ben C.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> hparsons wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I was being serious. I had no idea where she lived, but assumed it was
>>>>> in Mass.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, doesn't your last comment show "just more of the same class and
>>>>> dignity we've come to expect" from you? Or do statements like that
>>>>> really only apply to "the other side"?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm serious about that last question. Why is it when Bill uses an
>>>>> obvious play on words like that, it's worthy of your scorn, but then you
>>>>> do it right back yourself?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> She lives on the Upper West Side, Manhattan. Has for years, so that
>>>>>> won't
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> an issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is, if you were being serious. If you weren't, then Fuqua.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hparsons wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is Caroline Kennedy a resident of the State of New York, or does that
>>>>>>> simply not matter any more?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> December 16, 2008    New York Times
>>>>>>>> Caroline Kennedy to Seek Clinton's Senate Seat
>>>>>>>> By NICHOLAS CONFESSORE
>>>>>>>> Caroline Kennedy, the daughter of an American political dynasty, has
>>>>>>>> decided
>>>>>>>> to pursue the United States Senate seat being vacated by Senator
>>>>>>>> Hillary
>>>>>>>> Rodham Clinton of New York.The decision came after a series of deeply
>>>>>>>> personal and political conversations, in which Ms. Kennedy, whom
>>>>>>>> friends
>>>>>>>> describe as unflashy but determined, wrestled with whether to give up
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> has been a lifetime of avoiding the spotlight.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kennedy made calls on Monday morning to alert political figures to
>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>> interest.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gov. David A. Paterson of New York confirmed that she was interested
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> being appointed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "She told me she was interested in the position," Mr. Paterson said
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> news conference. "She realized it wasnot a campaign, but she was
>>>>>>>> talking
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> other people because shethought that a number of people, she felt,
>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>> know that she'sinterested in the position. She'd like at some point
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> sit
>>>>>>>> down andtell me what she thinks her qualifications are."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Senator Charles Schumer said that he had also spoken to Ms. Kennedy
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> said she was "clearly interested." "Bottom line isthat the Governor
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> talk regularly on this," he said in a television interview, "but we
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> decided to keepeach other's counsel, so that is all I am going to say
>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>> now."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If appointed, Ms. Kennedy would fill the seat once held by her uncle,
>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>> F. Kennedy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ms. Kennedy's decision is likely to have a major impact on the
>>>>>>>> governor's
>>>>>>>> considerations as he mulls who should succeed Mrs. Clinton. Already,
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> other Democrats have pointedly questioned her credentials for the
>>>>>>>> job.
>>>>>>>> United States Representative Gary Ackerman, a Queens Democrat, said
>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>> week that he did not know what Ms. Kennedy's qualifications were,
>>>>>>>> "except
>>>>>>>> that she has name recognition — but so does J. Lo."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Others, including Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg have praised her
>>>>>>>> abilities.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ms. Kennedy first telephoned the governor on Dec. 3 to inquire about
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> job, but Mr. Paterson described that conversation as "informational"
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> said it was clear that Ms. Kennedy had not decided whether she wanted
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> pursue the position.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But since then, she has begun reaching out to key political figures
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> New
>>>>>>>> York, including Sheldon Silver, the speaker of the State Assembly,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> Thomas P. DiNapoli, the state comptroller. She has also hired
>>>>>>>> Knickerbocker
>>>>>>>> SKD, a prominent political consulting firm headed by Josh Isay, a
>>>>>>>> former
>>>>>>>> chief of staff to Senator Charles E. Schumer, to advise her.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ms. Kennedy's family members, especially her cousin, Robert F.
>>>>>>>> Kennedy
>>>>>>>> Jr.,
>>>>>>>> have urged her to seek the post.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mrs. Clinton has said that she would not vacate the Senate seat until
>>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>> was confirmed as President-elect Barack Obama's secretary of state,
>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> expected to occur in January or February, and the governor has said
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>> would wait until then to make the appointment. But he has also said
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>> might make his selection known before then, to allow whomever is
>>>>>>>> chosen
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> prepare for the new role.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ms. Kennedy, 51, a resident of Manhattan's Upper East Side, took an
>>>>>>>> unusually public role in Mr. Obama's campaign, and the two became
>>>>>>>> friends.
>>>>>>>> Mr. Obama appointed Ms. Kennedy to the panel that vetted potential
>>>>>>>> vice-presidential candidates for him.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Before that, Ms. Kennedy had devoted much of her time to charitable
>>>>>>>> works
>>>>>>>> and institutions linked to her family, like the John F. Kennedy
>>>>>>>> Library
>>>>>>>> Foundation, of which she is president.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Others likely to be considered for the Senate seat are members of
>>>>>>>> Congress
>>>>>>>> including Kirsten Gillibrand, a rising star in the Democratic party
>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>> represents an upstate district; Thomas R. Suozzi, the Nassau County
>>>>>>>> chief
>>>>>>>> executive and a former candidate for governor; and the New York State
>>>>>>>> attorney general, Andrew M. Cuomo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think this is just an outstanding idea. Brad? Others?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Herb Parsons
>>>>>>>
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