[Rhodes22-list] Politics: How 'Bout That Bill Effros?

[Herb Parsons]

Actually, I agree with Wally on this one, to a degree. I think 
President-Elect Obama should remain silent on issues like this, as well 
as other issues. Unfortunately, he's cherry-picking what he's remaining 
silent on. He SHOULD let President Bush finish his term, then take over. 
However, he's not being consistent.

Also, I think Buchanan's underlying message is that not only should 
President-Elect Obama not remain silent on the issue, but that President 
Bush should not.

I'm not a big fan of Buchanan, but I don't think he's an "idiot".

TN Rhodey wrote:
> Bill, I suppose he could say that but shouldn't Bush speak for the US? I am
> not sure if I agree with Pat. Bush's mouth piece has come out in support of
> the action. For Obama to come out against would be counter productive. It is
> obvious you hate O. Your advice seems foolish. I would advise him the exact
> opposite.
>
> I think Pat B is an idiot.
>
> Wally
>
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 11:38 AM, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> Wally,
>>
>> Here is what Pat Buchanan has to say on this issue:
>>
>> "While the United States must support Israel's right to defend her towns
>> and to strike bases from which Israelis are being attacked, Obama should
>> denounce the collective punishment of 1.5 million Palestinians in Gaza,
>> by Israel's cutting off their electricity in the dead of winter and
>> denying them the food and medicine many need to survive.
>>
>> For us to remain silent in the face of this comports neither with our
>> interests or our values. Israel's policy of withholding from the weak
>> and innocent of Gaza, women and children, the necessities of life, to
>> punish the guilty who rule at the point of a gun, is a policy that Obama
>> should declare the United States will no longer support with tax dollars."
>>
>> To paraphrase another part of the same article, "Obama can't just sit
>> mute at the table like the 'dummy' in a game of bridge."
>>
>> Bill Effros
>>
>>
>>
>> TN Rhodey wrote:
>>     
>>> Bill, What should Obama be doing? Should he fly to Crawford and join Bush
>>>       
>> on
>>     
>>> vacation? Perhaps go Grouse hunting with Dick C.? Heck what should Bush
>>>       
>> do?
>>     
>>> The only control we have over Israel is money. They will do as they
>>>       
>> please.
>>     
>>> If Hanas attacks they will respond. Rightly so. It would be hard fo use
>>>       
>> to
>>     
>>> be critical of this considering our attack on Iraq.
>>>
>>> I think Israel is itching to fight and if Hamas continues to provoke they
>>> will get pounded even worse. The last Isreali ops in Lebanon did not have
>>> the normal kick ass results.  I think both Hamas and Hezbollah were
>>> emboldened by the poor Israeli tactics.
>>>
>>> I suspect Israel will take care of any nuke plants in Iran long before we
>>> feel the urge.
>>>
>>> Do you see it different?
>>>
>>> Wally
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Ed,
>>>>
>>>> 150 people who were alive yesterday morning are dead this morning
>>>> because Israel massively attacked Gaza.  That includes women and
>>>> children because the Israeli's attacked targets at a time that ensured
>>>> civilian casualties.
>>>>
>>>> They attacked when no one in this country was on the job.  Right now we
>>>> have no President at all.
>>>>
>>>> Obama is on both sides of this issue--where are you?
>>>>
>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tootle wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Bill:
>>>>>
>>>>> He is not President of USA yet.  You want him stirring the pot like
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> Captain
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Rummy?  He said that there is only one President at a time.  Calm down,
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> enjoy the holidays.  While the liquor stores are still open go get a
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> bottle
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> of Mt. Gay Rum.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed K
>>>>> addendum from where there is a lot of snow:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Think of yourself as on the threshold of unparalleded sucess.  A
>>>>>           
>> whole,
>>     
>>>>> clear, glorious life lies before you.  Achieve! Achieve! - Andrew
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> Carnegie
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> (borrowed from from the cover of the Pennsylvania Travel Guide.)( I
>>>>>           
>> would
>>     
>>>>> have expected some of the native Pennsylvanians on this forum to have
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> quoted
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> that.  Where is Ben C, Frone, John S., et al????)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
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