[Rhodes22-list] Future of Da List

[JbTek]

what it comes down to is the person that makes the list happen has the say.
That be John Lock. He manages the list so as the manager he has final say
and he has spoken. Either follow his guidlines or the list goes
away.....problem solved.
Jb
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Future of Da List


> Ben,
>
> Mailman has a digest mode and a vacation mode anyone can switch to at
> any time.
>
> If all someone wants are R-22 related posts they might start by asking
> R-22 related questions.
>
> Then they can switch to Digest Mode and read only the R-22 related
answers.
>
> It's easy enough to be your own moderator.  Don't like somebody?  Filter
> them out.
>
> The problem with the bulletin board and "forum" formats is that the
> biggest bullies wind up at the top of heap with posts that are often
> entirely wrong.
>
> If we look back at Rummy's replies we will find that his solution always
> involved Mt. Gay Rum.  It was a huge joke, and fine with everyone. There
> was always someone else to provide more specifics.  Nobody complained
> about Rummy's weather reports noting conditions on his lake. Or sports
> scores and occasional bets.
>
> For that matter, no one complained about Michael posting his resume.
>
> We watched on as list members got fired for spending work time on this
list.
>
> There were some who felt Jokes should not be allowed.
>
> Alternate lists were started.
>
> One of our members created an extensive FAQ.
>
> And if I simply Google "Rhodes22:Penetrol" (no quotation marks) I can
> come up with 82 of the best comments on the subject IMHO that appeared
> on our list over the past 10 years.
>
> Many of those comments conflict with each other, both with regard to
> facts and opinion.
>
> This list is still around because it works.
>
> To quote me...and I think Wally has said this, too..."If it ain't broke,
> don't fix it."
>
> Bill Effros
>
>
>
>
> ben wrote:
> > I don't think this week is the first time we've lost people because they
> > were tired of political battles.  Look at the archives from five years
ago.
> > We had a lot of regular posters who are gone now, and who had really,
really
> > good information and stories from all facets of life.  I would love to
get
> > some of them back in the community.
> >
> > You know, we're the last vestige organization holding tight to an email
> > list.  All we need is a bulletin board where we can set up different
forums.
> > We can have one for news/politics and a separate one for sailing, etc.
I
> > know Nabble already presents our emails this way, but they only have one
big
> > forum, and I think we need at least two.
> >
> > My experience with message boards is that it is good to have many
> > moderators, whose purpose is to filter out spam.  I'm sure the filtering
is
> > better today than when I set them up regularly.
> >
> > I've also thought that it would be a good idea to launch a Rhodes 22
wiki
> > that we could all have rights to edit.  So for example, we have an
> > interesting thread about Penetrol, and someone takes the initiative to
write
> > up a paragraph or two summary that's in an online encyclopedia for us
> > forever.
> >
> > I could provide some space and some time to get things set up, but if we
> > went this route, the whole community would need to be ready to
contribute
> > time and content.
> >
> > Ben S
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John Lock
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 14:19
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Deregulation and Da List
> >
> > At 01:45 PM 12/30/2008 -0600, Herb Parsons wrote:
> >
> >> So, are you, as the owner of the list, REALLY saying that my choices
are
> >> to either have a moderator, or "STFU"? Hardly a reasonable response, in
> >> my view.
> >>
> >> I will note, that your abusive rude response was also not "addressed
> >> privately", and suggest that maybe the other 250 members no more care
> >> for your response to me than mine to Ben; however, mine was at least
civil.
> >>
> >
> > You are correct and I apologize to you individually and the list in
> > general.  Caught up in the moment I behaved exactly as I was denouncing.
> >
> > But... I hope it demonstrates my frustration.  No, I do not own the
> > list, but I do manage the resources it depends on.  Those are
> > different things.  If someone else would like to step forward and
> > offer the resources I will relinquish my role (gladly at this point).
> >
> > What I am saying, just so it's clear to everyone, is that I have
> > reached my limit.  I offered to host the list and the website in
> > order to continue a valuable resource for Rhodes 22 owners and
> > fans.  It has been a disappointing experience to say the least.
> >
> > So, either the character of the list changes or I will "manage" some
> > other solutions.  Capiche?
> >
> >
> > John Lock
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
> > Lake Sinclair, GA
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
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