[Rhodes22-list] History

Brad Haslett flybrad at gmail.com
Wed Dec 31 19:45:22 EST 2008 

Bill,

When Marco Polo first visited Beijing there were Jewish traders
dealing with the Chinese. That's what pisses me off so much about all
this racial crap.  We've been breeding with each other for what,
10,000 years?  Who is the pure bred race? I can trace my heritage to
all 12 tribes of Abraham, and Attila the Hun, as well as American
Indians, and just about every other piece of the human race
(feminists, please don't go after me over 'piece'.)  I borrow parts
from each culture that benefits me and throw away the rest (note to
Muslims - that part about encouraging your children to blow
themselves-up - I throw away). So here we are, the Chinese have about
5000 years of recorded history and the Jews are at 6000 years.  I say
they are about even.  Any culture(s) that can last that long should
probably be studied. As for me personally, I'm sticking with the Irish
thing.  If it weren't for whiskey we'd control the world.

Brad

BTW - Happy New Year.  Both of them.

On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> Your wife is too young.   She wasn't in Shanghai when the real Jews were
> teaching the Chinese how to be Jews.  They taught the Chinese better
> than they taught their own children.  They taught their children to be
> WASPS--and look where that's got us.
>
> But, Not to Worry, the Chinese will teach our children's children how to
> be Jews.  And then the cycle will repeat.  We can all eat traife with
> chopsticks -- it's a start.
>
> Bill Effros
>
>
>
> Brad Haslett wrote:
>> Bill,
>>
>> As a Jew, I think you will appreciate this - I just installed 1.2G
>> extra memory in my laptop from Computer Memory Outlet for $32.  My
>> wife is not impressed with you Jews or your ability to buy things on
>> sale.  She thinks I got robbed.  She says you guys are amateurs!
>>
>> I don't give a shit about your ilk or hers, all I know is you guys can
>> insult me at 4 times the speed and it booted on the first try!
>>
>> Brad
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mary Lou,
>>>
>>> You've been around long enough to enjoy the chuckle of me being selected
>>> for the same team as Herb, Brad, and Ed.
>>>
>>> You can look back as far as you like--my tone has not changed.  My jokes
>>> have not changed. My values have not changed.
>>>
>>> It's just that my former teammates are mad at me because I believe they
>>> have put aside all the values they said they stood for, and I have said so.
>>>
>>> As a Jew, half of whose family was wiped out in WWII, I am very
>>> frightened any time the "good citizens" decide "the end justifies the
>>> means".
>>>
>>> I think that is what is happening in this country, and I will not stop
>>> saying so, even if Michael and John hijack this list, and prevent people
>>> they disagree with from presenting their views.
>>>
>>> Bill Effros
>>>
>>> PS -- Ed, Brad, Herb and most of the other vocal members of this list
>>> have also been extremely giving and have helped others repeatedly while
>>> many of the lurkers who would inherit the list simply grumbled about the
>>> efforts of others--just as they are doing now.
>>>
>>> Lurkers do not a list make.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mary Lou Troy wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry Brad, I may go sailing in bad weather and I do leave my house
>>>> regularly but I don't feel I should need a Kevlar vest to participate
>>>> in an email list with people who like the same kind of boat I do. A
>>>> sense of humor and a positive attitude maybe but not a Kevlar vest. I
>>>> haven't been able to see much to be humorous about around here lately
>>>> even though some of the jokes have been funny. I feel my positive
>>>> attitude has been beaten out of me. This has gone a long way beyond
>>>> "a few barbs".
>>>>
>>>> I included Rummy as an example of what list members used to be
>>>> inspired to do to "help each other". I saw his actions and those of
>>>> countless others as being in the spirit of the charter and being
>>>> examples of what we are in danger of losing if we all decide we don't
>>>> want to be bothered. I haven't been in touch with him. I don't know
>>>> if he'll be back. I don't know who will be here next week. I'm hoping
>>>> that there will be a list that I want to participate in.
>>>>
>>>> Mary Lou
>>>> 1991 R22  Fretless
>>>> Rock Hall, MD
>>>>
>>>> At 01:39 PM 12/31/2008, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Mary Lou,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rummy was one of the biggest antagonists on the list.  Trust me,
>>>>> he'll get tired of lurking and come back.  Everyone, get over your
>>>>> pity party and put on your Kevlar vests.  For goodness sakes, if you
>>>>> can't take a few barbs in cyberspace you probably shouldn't leave
>>>>> your house on a sailboat where the weather could turn nasty and the
>>>>> boom could knock your head off!
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
>>>>> From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] History
>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 12:27 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's the history as I remember it dating at least to early 1998.
>>>>> Similar to Bill's but differing in a few key factors. (If people are
>>>>> going to be using the archives for list history I figured I ought to
>>>>> post the history as I remember it.)
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe the early list was a Sail-net email list. Sailnet was
>>>>> founded in 1994. I don't know when they started their email lists. I
>>>>> think I found the Rhodes list about the same time we purchased
>>>>> Fretless in the Spring of 1998 maybe a bit before. It was not a
>>>>> Rhodes 22 list but a list for admirers and owners of any Rhodes
>>>>> designed boat. The R22 owners quickly overwhelmed the list and it
>>>>> became a de facto R22 list. We were delighted to find each other. If
>>>>> there was another  email list before that, it was not a link on the
>>>>> GB website in early 1996 when we started looking at the R22. There
>>>>> was evidently a print R22 Owners Association newsletter that ceased
>>>>> publication in 1991. Sailnet changed owners several times with
>>>>> impacts on email list reliability and the rules for the list. At some
>>>>> point (2002) our esteemed Michael Meltzer (who did indeed help GB get
>>>>> into the web business in the 90s and was a long-time R22 owner)
>>>>> offered to host the list on his server. He put it together in one
>>>>> night using the rhodes22.org domain which he had already used in
>>>>> setting up the Rhodes owners site on his server. That was the genesis
>>>>> of the current list. For a while people were on both lists but
>>>>> eventually the Sailnet traffic withered away and Sailnet got rid of
>>>>> their email lists completely earlier this year. They still have
>>>>> forums (bulletin boards) and there is still a Rhodes forum there.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the early days of the list there were several gatherings of Rhodes
>>>>> owners (and wannabees). There was a memorable dinner at Carroll's
>>>>> Creek Restaurant and another at Buddy's in Annapolis after the Boat
>>>>> Show. I remember Cam Whetstone carrying his new centerboard cap
>>>>> around as we waited to get in and Michael Meltzer checking email on
>>>>> his laptop long before any of the rest of us had heard of aircards.
>>>>> This was followed by a couple years when Jan Eyres (event planner
>>>>> extraordinaire) and I (but mostly Jan) planned an after hours catered
>>>>> dinner at the Annapolis Boat Show. Michael arranged the passes to get
>>>>> us in after-hours. Somewhere I still have the pics from that. There
>>>>> was a memorable gathering at Kentucky Lake. We didn't go but it is
>>>>> memorialized with pics on the Rhodes owners website. There was a
>>>>> marriage. There were a couple of gatherings on the Chesapeake as well
>>>>> as well as several mid-winter Chesapeake PlanJams - the last at my
>>>>> house last January with 30 some people. At this year's Boat
>>>>> Show  (and last year's) we had lunch with Rhodes owners from the list
>>>>> in a mini-gathering organized on the list. These things won't happen
>>>>> if people sign off the list because of the content or the tone of the
>>>>> conversations.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the early days, if there were angry outbursts and hard feelings
>>>>> they mostly went off list. One person (maybe two) did get banned when
>>>>> they couldn't abide by the charter. It was Michael's call. It was his
>>>>> list. Bill is right that Stan used to send people to the list but I
>>>>> don't think Stan ever claimed ownership. I know that we all have felt
>>>>> a great deal of gratitude to Stan for continuing to build and recycle
>>>>> the boats that we sail with such pleasure. For the most part we have
>>>>> tried to be helpful to General Boats. My guess is that the link to
>>>>> the list came off the GB website when politics started getting ugly.
>>>>> I'm pretty sure Stan still sends people to the list but probably only
>>>>> after they have bought the boat or at least have made the decision to
>>>>> buy the boat.
>>>>>
>>>>> The list charter was a group effort by members of the list to make
>>>>> rules that we could live with and still get along with each other to
>>>>> everyone's benefit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rummy, who just left the list, through his own good efforts compiled
>>>>> an owners list that was available to any member in good standing of
>>>>> that list. It was invaluable as we got to know each other. When Rummy
>>>>> decided to pack it in, I volunteered to take on the owners list but
>>>>> life intervened and I didn't get to it. By the time I was ready to
>>>>> take up the effort the political problems were in full swing and I
>>>>> wasn't feeling all that eager (not a good excuse just the truth about
>>>>> how I felt at the time). If the list becomes tolerable again, maybe
>>>>> I'll make another attempt.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mary Lou
>>>>> 1991 R22  Fretless
>>>>> Rock Hall, MD
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At 12:06 PM 12/31/2008, you wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's good history to know.
>>>>>> When I signed up about 2 years ago, (that seams to be when it started
>>>>>> downhill) I was refered to by Stan also. I saw all the political crap &
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> was
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> dissappointed....and said so. I got a shorter version of the same
>>>>>> explanation & then understood. I was told this was not Stans list....by
>>>>>> Stan.
>>>>>> I agree with you nothing should be done different, the charter covers it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> My
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> problem is that some people insult you in such a nice way, it's allowed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> ...&
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> when someone comes right out & says it, it's a bad thing. I was
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> disgusted by
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> some of the things said about our last President, I just as disgusted that
>>>>>> some people won't even give the new one a chance.
>>>>>> Jb
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 9:32 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Who Made You the Jello Sheriff?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jb,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael built and maintained Stan's website.  In return, Stan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> would tow
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael's boat to Edenton every winter, upgrade it, install
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> "test"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> equipment, bottom paint it, and get it back to Michael in time for an
>>>>>>> early launch.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At some point, Michael suggested the formation of an email group so
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> that
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> people could ask each other all the questions that Stan couldn't
>>>>>>> possibly respond to...even if he owned a computer, and knew how to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> use it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael put links on Stan's website so both existing owners and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> newbies
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> could find "da list".  (Remember, Google is only 10 years
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> old -- it was
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> difficult for anyone other than a computer geek to find anything on
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Internet, and email lists were not indexed.)  Almost everyone who got
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> on
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> "da list" at that time was sent here by Stan, both from his
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> website and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> from in-person recommendations both before and after boat purchases.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know I got here because Stan suggested I could learn a lot from
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> people
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> on the list.  I know many others who got here the same way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael is one of the smartest people on the planet.  In the early
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> days,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> he would answer 9 out of 10 questions asked.  He talked to Stan
>>>>>>> regularly, and when he didn't know the answer, and felt it was a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> good
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> question, he would call Stan after hours and come up with the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> technical
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> information the rest of us sought.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We hopped onto the Sailnet list server at some point.  They wanted to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> be
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> a web portal for sailers.  They offered free list-hosting.  As they
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> grew
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> they encountered growing pains.  They switched software, and lost
>>>>>>> everyone on the list in the process.  Those of us who cared,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> contacted
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> everyone else back-channel and told them what had happened and what
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> they
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> had to do to get back on the list.  I believe we had 34 members at
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> that
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then Sailnet started selling things, and made a rule that no one else
>>>>>>> could sell anything on any list they hosted.  Then they started
>>>>>>> monitoring lists to enforce the rule, and bouncing out people who
>>>>>>> violated their rule.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We started looking for another way to run our list, and Michael came
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> up
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> with the Mailman Program which he hosted and maintained as
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> administrator.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> At some point Stan learned to use a computer, and started providing
>>>>>>> information directly to the list. What a treat!  When somebody got
>>>>>>> something wrong, or had a better way to solve a problem, the guy who
>>>>>>> built the boat would actually discuss the issue on an open forum!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael was plugged into the blogging community before anyone used
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> word "blog".  He would get jokes, and "insider
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> info" and post it to the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> list long before any other sailor had access to what he posted.  Some
>>>>>>> complained that it was "off-topic" but Stan always said he
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> loved it, and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> didn't give a damn if anyone didn't think it was funny, or
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> disagreed
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> with anyone else's political views.  And, he said, living in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> Edenton, he
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> wasn't locally exposed to a lot of cultural stuff he took for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> granted
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> living near NYC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Bring it on" said Stan, "and don't worry about
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> killing a boat
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> sale--this is much more fun--be yourself--respect each other--Michael
>>>>>>> taught me how to use the delete key."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Food fights would erupt from time to time over the exact same issues.
>>>>>>> Politics and Religion were both banned at some point, so people
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> started
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> inserting their political views in the form of often vicious jokes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> The
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> only way anyone could object to the joke was to explain it in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> political
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> terms. The prohibition against Politics was dropped with the mandate
>>>>>>> that all political discussion had to be preceded on the subject line
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> by
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> the word Politics:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How to use filters to toss all email labeled "Politics:"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> into anyone's
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> junk folder was repeatedly explained so that anyone not wishing to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> see
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> this stuff would never even know others on the list were actively
>>>>>>> discussing these topics.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Later, a rule was instituted mandating that Jokes: also appears on
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> subject line when the content is jokes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At some point the list turned on Stan.  It wasn't anyone's
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> fault, it was
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> just the normal evolution of the Internet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some of the people who had been with the list for a long time opted
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> purchase other boats. They started singing the praises of their
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> boats,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> on Stan's list, and urging others to trade in Stan's boat for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> one
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> bigger, or better, or more ostentatious.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then people who would never have been able to find each other started
>>>>>>> selling boats directly to each other, and cutting Stan out of the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> middle
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- "Stan offered me $10,000 for this boat, so you know he's
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> going to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> sell it for $20,000 -- I'll sell it to anyone on the list for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> $15,000."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then people started offering to fabricate parts for Stan's
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> boat--"Send
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> me the specifications on that trailer, and I'll make one for you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> for 1/2
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> what Stan would charge."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Over time they hijacked Stan's list.  Stan objected several
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> times, and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> many people on the list went out of their way to only buy through
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> Stan.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> But, in the end, Stan stopped participating on a regular basis, and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> took
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> the list off his web site.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But, it's still Stan's list, and Stan is still the common
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> link for most
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> of us.  He can't use it as a sales tool anymore, but he still can
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> have
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> fun with old friends...just as it says in the charter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have posted the charter below so all can see what they signed up
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> for,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> if they never took the time to read it previously.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In prior years, Michael would post the Charter at this point--he
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> it, but he seems disinclined to do so, so here it is:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *CHARTER*:  *rhodes22*-list at ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=17019026&i=0>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> The *rhodes*-list at ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=17019026&i=1>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> group will be  open to discussion of all
>>>>>>> subjects specifically referring to *Rhodes* sailboats  or  *Rhodes*
>>>>>>> sailors. The focus of this group includes, but is not limited  to:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Encouraging the understanding and discussion of *Rhodes* sailboats
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> or
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Rhodes* sailors, in the many ways people wish to define it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Acting  as a source of information for  *Rhodes* sailboats or
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> *Rhodes*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> sailors  worldwide and for people planning  to buy/sell/repair/learn
>>>>>>> about *Rhodes*  sailboats or *Rhodes* sailors.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Providing a forum for the development and  promotion *Rhodes*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> sailboats
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> or *Rhodes* sailors'  culture, history,  traditions and economy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Any other subject that might be found at a  sailor's bar or the
>>>>>>> Clubhouse Bar, Including *Rhodes* sailboats or *Rhodes*  sailors'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> travels,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> events, family, jokes, quotations, pets, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * The  level of discussion does not have to be fit for a child, but
>>>>>>> some good taste  is expected.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Binaries and Formatting: The posting of encoded binaries  (e.g.
>>>>>>> pictures, compressed files, etc.) to  *rhodes*-list at ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=17019026&i=2>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> is  not
>>>>>>> allowed, the list server will remove them. Please use mixed case
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> when
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> posting (Upper and lower case letters), typing words in  uppercase
>>>>>>> means you are SHOUTING.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Quoting: Place new material at the  top of the post and quote what
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> you
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> are replying to below. That makes it  simple to find out what is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> being
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> said. You are encouraged to edit down the  quoted material.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HTML mail: Allot of the email programs (Netscape and  outlook) that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> can
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> send their email with embedded HTML. Embedded HTML can  cause some of
>>>>>>> the list members to have trouble reading their mail due to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> "browser
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> wars", not reading their mail with a web browser and double
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> messages
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> in digest mode. Member are encouraged to set their programs to  send
>>>>>>> "text" email.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Subject Line: Please set or change the subject line  to reflect the
>>>>>>> true subject of the  post. for example "Subject: anchors"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> might be
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> turned into "Subject: gastank was anchors". If a joke (or
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> any
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> questionable material) is being posted please indicate it on  the
>>>>>>> subject line, for example "Subject: Monday's Humor
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> (jokes)"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Netiquette: Posts to the group are expected to be considerate of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> other
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> readers. Personal abuse, flames, and obscenities are  *not*
>>>>>>> appreciated; but we are sailors.......
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anonymous email: It is  expected that users will provide their name
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> in
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> the email and will sign  same.  We like to know who we're talking
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> to.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Social  Interaction/Manners: To a certain extent, the interaction is
>>>>>>> about what you  would expect in any informal social setting, for
>>>>>>> example, a bar.  It is  recommended that you get to know people first
>>>>>>> and introduce yourself (about  the same social rules that you would
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> use
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> to meet any new group of people).  There is a high level of chitchat
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> on
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> the list, and what you might think is  insulting to a group or region
>>>>>>> might only be people kidding each other after  knowing them for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> years.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> As in any bar, the subjects of politics and religion  can lead to
>>>>>>> heated augments and bar fights. These might be best  avoided.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The need to participate: It is recognized that a group is only
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> whoever
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> post to it, no more and no less. We can only talk about what  people
>>>>>>> post about. You earn respect on the list by postings and trying  to
>>>>>>> help each other, you can not demand it. Most sailing topics we  have
>>>>>>> talked about already, We chit chat in the mean time waiting to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> answer
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> questions or a new subject/story.  If you want to know  something,
>>>>>>> please post it, the more detail the better. If someone is trying  to
>>>>>>> help you please answer their reasonable questions. If you can  help
>>>>>>> someone, again post it, Try to repay the knowledge you  gained.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jb wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> why do keep saying this is Stans list?
>>>>>>>> Jb
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 8:53 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Who Made You the Jello Sheriff?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Who made you the Jello Sheriff?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is Stan's list, not yours, and he just told us he
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> doesn't believe
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jello Sheriff is required.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Shall I tell you who I think is being a PITA?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do you think it will improve the list if everyone conforms
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> to your
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> views
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> of who is using "mean sprite"?  Only people who
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> submit jokes you find
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> funny can remain on the list?  If you don't
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> laugh--they're out!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Whatever happened to that rule about throwing people off the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> list if
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> they don't own a Rhodes-22?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How about syntax rules, and spelling rules?  That should be
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> fun.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Better drop the rule about people on ego trips.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course, this charter change must be submitted to the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> entire list as
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> per our charter.  Does Rummy still get a vote?  How about
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Ben?  How
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> about people under your review?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LOL,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your dear friend,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bill Effros
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> michael meltzer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He is the working idea.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1)      Is the problem is not so much the off subject
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> post, as long as
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> are entertaining there is no real issue, funny,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> informative, nice..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2)      The problem is the people using "mean
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> sprite" , pounding on
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> people,
>>>>>>>>>> people on ego trips that they must change the world by
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> changing the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> view
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> the members, being a PITA
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To that end.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1)      in the short: people using "mean
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> sprite" , pounding on people,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> people on ego trips that they must change the world by
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> changing the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> view
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> the members. Can and will be suspended buy me and john
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> at our whim,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> using
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> current tools. Willing to listen to some group feedback
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> but really
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> right to suspend and remove PITA's
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2)      in the long term both me and john no not have
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> the time for
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thinking along the lines of a "trusted" group
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> of people can numerated
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> poster for suspend/remove/band that a larger group of
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> list members can
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> vote
>>>>>>>>>> on(the jury, maybe post #/length of time on the list
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> weighted). Web
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> based
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> system. Me and john then become the "apples board.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> The real question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>>>> cases would be are you a PITA and worth it
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 3)      there is a question about a wiki(ben), we tried
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> it once but
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> let's
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> try again, it could have broad applies
>>>>>>>>>>
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