[Rhodes22-list] Politics
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Tue Feb 12 14:00:01 EST 2008
As always, you dodge the debate by referencing an obviously biased
article. I only had to read the first paragraph to understand exactly
what it was:
When we look back someday at the catastrophe that was the Bush
administration, we will think of many things: the tragedy of the Iraq
war, the shame of Guantánamo and Abu Ghraib, the erosion of civil
liberties. The damage done to the American economy does not make
front-page headlines every day, but the repercussions will be felt
beyond the lifetime of anyone reading this page.
The problems with that paragraph are:
The question as to whether or not the Bush administration was a
"catastrophe" is definitely open to debate. The person writing is
expressing an opinion, not fact.
The question of wether or not the Iraq war was a "tragedy" that was
caused by the Bush administration is open to debate, again expressing an
opinion, not fact. (The FACT is that the war was authorized by congress,
and the result of many violations of a cease-fire agreement, and
agreement that was structured during the previous Bush admninistration,
and violated numerous times during the Clinton administration, but hey,
let's not let facts get in the way of a good Bush-bashing).
The "shame" of Guantanamo is that so many leftists have made it out to
be something worse than it its.
The "shame" of Abu Gharib was NOT the result of "the Bush
administration", that's hyperbole.
Like I said, the first paragraph makes it pretty clear that the rest of
the article is going to be more of the same.
So Rummy, you jumped into this one, if you don't want to play, don't
jump. I was serious, apparantly you were not.
R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
> Herb,
> As always this time of year I don't have enough time to debate this point
> for point, but as Brad often does, I offer this somewhat lengthy article for you
> to read.
>
> _http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/12/bush200712_
> (http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/12/bush200712)
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 2/12/2008 12:48:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> hparsons at parsonsys.com writes:
>
> Sorry Rummy, but to blame "the economy" as "damage done by the current
> occument" is neither honest, and is certainly not a "concrete fact". The
> "occupant" doesn't prepare the budget. He may approve it, and probably
> should have junked a lot of what was in there, but it was a joint effort
> (for what it's worth, I don't like his ecnomics myself).
>
> You can't ride Brad's back on the "foreign policy" "damage", he didn't
> list any. The notion that a few third world countries "don't like us"
> isn't foreign policy "damage", at least not in MY view. On the other
> hand, years of ignoring treaty violations, THAT's a foreign policy
> nightmare. It's ironic that the left seems to decry a President doing
> exactly what he said he was going to do as a "foreign policy nightmare".
> Guess that's what foreign policy has become, expectations of ignored
> warnings.
>
> But I'm beginning to ramble. The request was for concrete facts about
> the "damage" done by the "current occupant". You've not provided any.
>
>
> R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>
>> Herb,
>> As I have stated many times previously, I am neither left nor right,
>>
> liberal
>
>> nor conservative. I am an American. I vote for people that I believe
>>
> provide
>
>> this country with the best possible leadership. I think Brad pretty much
>> touched on most of the problems I have with this current administration.
>> However, simply brushing them aside will not make the problems disappear.
>>
> It will
>
>> take decades to straighten out our economy and even longer with foreign
>>
> policy.
>
>> The coming election doesn't offer any concrete solutions to the problems.
>>
> I
>
>> will probably vote for John McCain simply because I see him doing the
>>
> least
>
>> amount of damage. (My wife has always claimed that I am a closet
>>
> Republican)
>
>> I am embarrassed that this country can have such a lousy pool of people
>> willing to lead this country. Apparently holding high jobs in corporate
>>
> America
>
>> is more appealing than running for office.
>>
>> Rummy
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 2/12/2008 9:04:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> hparsons at parsonsys.com writes:
>>
>> Absolutely not. The leftists in this country seem fond of citing that so
>> much "damage" has been done as if it's some sort of indisuputable fact,
>> when in reality, the "damage" consists of damage to their lefist agenda.
>> I'd like real facts, not opinions. You guys don't have them.
>>
>> What you REALLY have is a deep resentment that in spite of what you see
>> as a dangerous man, you couldn't muster the wherewithall to defeat him.
>> So, how about producing some real concrete facts, or just admitting that
>> it's just your left-wing propaganda.
>>
>> R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Herb,
>>> Please tell me your joking.
>>>
>>> Rummy
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 2/12/2008 8:34:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> hparsons at parsonsys.com writes:
>>>
>>> Might you cite some of this "damage" Slim?
>>>
>>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Elle,
>>>>
>>>> Don't worry. Brad's posts were of no real consequence as usual.
>>>>
> Just
>
>>>>
>>>>
>> more
>>
>>
>>>> right-wing propaganda. Brad, I don't know how much farther our
>>>>
> country
>
>>>>
>>>>
>> can
>>
>>
>>>> decline before you realize how much damage has been done by the current
>>>> occupant.
>>>>
>>>> Slim
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 11, 2008 9:48 PM, elle <watermusic38 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Can we all take a minute and send a concentrated
>>>>> mental mantra to Virginia Broadband to kickstart
>>>>> wireless around here?
>>>>>
>>>>> You have no idea how frustrating it is to see all
>>>>> these video links & not be able to see them....
>>>>>
>>>>> elle
>>>>> --- Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Good grief, I haven't had this much fun watching a
>>>>>> race since I was a kid
>>>>>> and we had greased pig catching contests as fund
>>>>>> raisers. Now watch this
>>>>>> clip and tell me what is wrong with the picture at
>>>>>> 18 seconds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=KU5Rt890Wm4
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Look at the attached photo (taken in Iowa while the
>>>>>> National Anthem was
>>>>>> being played) and tell me what is wrong with the
>>>>>> picture.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Someone needs to tell the Messiah to put his lapel
>>>>>> flag pin back on for
>>>>>> awhile. "Lucy, you got some explainin' to do!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad
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