[Rhodes22-list] Politics
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Tue Feb 12 14:23:03 EST 2008
Excellent comeback there Rummy - keeping in mind, all things are relative.
R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
> Herb,
> Your problem is that even though you might read, you don't understand nor
> can you comprehend the message. I'm done. Back to work so I can pay for my $3.00
> per gallon Bush gasoline.
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 2/12/2008 2:00:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> hparsons at parsonsys.com writes:
>
> As always, you dodge the debate by referencing an obviously biased
> article. I only had to read the first paragraph to understand exactly
> what it was:
>
> When we look back someday at the catastrophe that was the Bush
> administration, we will think of many things: the tragedy of the Iraq
> war, the shame of Guantánamo and Abu Ghraib, the erosion of civil
> liberties. The damage done to the American economy does not make
> front-page headlines every day, but the repercussions will be felt
> beyond the lifetime of anyone reading this page.
>
> The problems with that paragraph are:
>
> The question as to whether or not the Bush administration was a
> "catastrophe" is definitely open to debate. The person writing is
> expressing an opinion, not fact.
>
> The question of wether or not the Iraq war was a "tragedy" that was
> caused by the Bush administration is open to debate, again expressing an
> opinion, not fact. (The FACT is that the war was authorized by congress,
> and the result of many violations of a cease-fire agreement, and
> agreement that was structured during the previous Bush admninistration,
> and violated numerous times during the Clinton administration, but hey,
> let's not let facts get in the way of a good Bush-bashing).
>
> The "shame" of Guantanamo is that so many leftists have made it out to
> be something worse than it its.
>
> The "shame" of Abu Gharib was NOT the result of "the Bush
> administration", that's hyperbole.
>
> Like I said, the first paragraph makes it pretty clear that the rest of
> the article is going to be more of the same.
>
> So Rummy, you jumped into this one, if you don't want to play, don't
> jump. I was serious, apparantly you were not.
>
>
> R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>
>> Herb,
>> As always this time of year I don't have enough time to debate this point
>> for point, but as Brad often does, I offer this somewhat lengthy article
>>
> for you
>
>> to read.
>>
>> _http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/12/bush200712_
>> (http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/12/bush200712)
>>
>> Rummy
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 2/12/2008 12:48:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> hparsons at parsonsys.com writes:
>>
>> Sorry Rummy, but to blame "the economy" as "damage done by the current
>> occument" is neither honest, and is certainly not a "concrete fact". The
>> "occupant" doesn't prepare the budget. He may approve it, and probably
>> should have junked a lot of what was in there, but it was a joint effort
>> (for what it's worth, I don't like his ecnomics myself).
>>
>> You can't ride Brad's back on the "foreign policy" "damage", he didn't
>> list any. The notion that a few third world countries "don't like us"
>> isn't foreign policy "damage", at least not in MY view. On the other
>> hand, years of ignoring treaty violations, THAT's a foreign policy
>> nightmare. It's ironic that the left seems to decry a President doing
>> exactly what he said he was going to do as a "foreign policy nightmare".
>> Guess that's what foreign policy has become, expectations of ignored
>> warnings.
>>
>> But I'm beginning to ramble. The request was for concrete facts about
>> the "damage" done by the "current occupant". You've not provided any.
>>
>>
>> R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Herb,
>>> As I have stated many times previously, I am neither left nor right,
>>>
>>>
>> liberal
>>
>>
>>> nor conservative. I am an American. I vote for people that I believe
>>>
>>>
>> provide
>>
>>
>>> this country with the best possible leadership. I think Brad pretty much
>>>
>
>
>>> touched on most of the problems I have with this current administration.
>>>
>
>
>>> However, simply brushing them aside will not make the problems
>>>
> disappear.
>
>>>
>>>
>> It will
>>
>>
>>> take decades to straighten out our economy and even longer with foreign
>>>
>>>
>> policy.
>>
>>
>>> The coming election doesn't offer any concrete solutions to the
>>>
> problems.
>
>>>
>>>
>> I
>>
>>
>>> will probably vote for John McCain simply because I see him doing the
>>>
>>>
>> least
>>
>>
>>> amount of damage. (My wife has always claimed that I am a closet
>>>
>>>
>> Republican)
>>
>>
>>> I am embarrassed that this country can have such a lousy pool of people
>>> willing to lead this country. Apparently holding high jobs in corporate
>>>
>>>
>> America
>>
>>
>>> is more appealing than running for office.
>>>
>>> Rummy
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 2/12/2008 9:04:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> hparsons at parsonsys.com writes:
>>>
>>> Absolutely not. The leftists in this country seem fond of citing that
>>>
> so
>
>>> much "damage" has been done as if it's some sort of indisuputable fact,
>>>
>
>
>>> when in reality, the "damage" consists of damage to their lefist
>>>
> agenda.
>
>>> I'd like real facts, not opinions. You guys don't have them.
>>>
>>> What you REALLY have is a deep resentment that in spite of what you see
>>> as a dangerous man, you couldn't muster the wherewithall to defeat him.
>>>
>
>
>>> So, how about producing some real concrete facts, or just admitting
>>>
> that
>
>>> it's just your left-wing propaganda.
>>>
>>> R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Herb,
>>>> Please tell me your joking.
>>>>
>>>> Rummy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 2/12/2008 8:34:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>> hparsons at parsonsys.com writes:
>>>>
>>>> Might you cite some of this "damage" Slim?
>>>>
>>>> Steven Alm wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Elle,
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't worry. Brad's posts were of no real consequence as usual.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> Just
>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> more
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> right-wing propaganda. Brad, I don't know how much farther our
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> country
>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> can
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> decline before you realize how much damage has been done by the
>>>>>
> current
>
>>>>> occupant.
>>>>>
>>>>> Slim
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 11, 2008 9:48 PM, elle <watermusic38 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Can we all take a minute and send a concentrated
>>>>>> mental mantra to Virginia Broadband to kickstart
>>>>>> wireless around here?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have no idea how frustrating it is to see all
>>>>>> these video links & not be able to see them....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> elle
>>>>>> --- Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good grief, I haven't had this much fun watching a
>>>>>>> race since I was a kid
>>>>>>> and we had greased pig catching contests as fund
>>>>>>> raisers. Now watch this
>>>>>>> clip and tell me what is wrong with the picture at
>>>>>>> 18 seconds.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=KU5Rt890Wm4
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Look at the attached photo (taken in Iowa while the
>>>>>>> National Anthem was
>>>>>>> being played) and tell me what is wrong with the
>>>>>>> picture.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Someone needs to tell the Messiah to put his lapel
>>>>>>> flag pin back on for
>>>>>>> awhile. "Lucy, you got some explainin' to do!"
>>>>>>>
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