[Rhodes22-list] Politics

[Steven Alm]

Herb,

I think the decline and damage is pretty obvious.  Shall we start with the
economy?  The 10 trillion dollar debt?  The "R" word that everybody is
afraid to utter?  Do you not see how the war in Iraq has done damage to us
in lives lost, money lost and yes, our stature in the world?  Congress is to
blame as well.  How about our loss of civil rights?  The government no
longer needs a warrant to eavesdrop.  What about the "signing statements"
Bush has used in every bill he signed thus making a mockery of the whole
process?  He seems to think that "executive privilege" makes him and his
cabinet above the law.  I'm sure you remember the Valery Plame issue.  How
about his easing the restrictions on how much mercury production plants are
allowed to spit out?

Do you have any facts that show we're not in decline or that there has been
no damage?  Please show me something I can be happy about.  If you take
issue with me for being a Bush-basher you're going to have to show me why I
shouldn't be one.  What has he done for me or you lately?  I guess now he
wants to send me a few hundred bucks (borrowed from the Chinese) so I can go
out and buy something made in China.  Does that make any sense?

Slim

On Feb 12, 2008 2:43 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:

> Slim,
>
> I'm not trying to convince you to "trust this administration". I have no
> reason for you to trust this administration. If they were running for
> something, and I was trying to get them elected, I might have need to
> try to convince you. They're not, I'm not.
>
> As it stands, they apparently didn't convince you to trust them, but
> they DID convince those that voted for them, and thus got the job.
>
> However, if I may remind you what started this little bit of silliness
> was the statement you made:
>
> "Brad, I don't know how much farther our country can decline before you
> realize how much damage has been done by the current occupant."
>
> Though you directed the question to Brad, I assumed it was open to all,
> so I simply asked what damage. You haven't convinced ME (or Brad, I
> suspect). You and Rummy both have put up a lot of nonsense from others,
> but I've yet to see a thought out description from either of you
> PERSONALLY of the "damage" you've talked about.
>
> I suspect it's not going to come.
>
> I suspect there's a reason too...
>
>
> Steven Alm wrote:
> > Brad, not sure what you're taliking about.
> >
> > Herb, since you're so into the facts, why don't you start with some.
>  Give
> > me the facts on why I or any of us should trust this administration.
> >
> > Slim
> >
> > On Feb 12, 2008 2:04 PM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Slim,
> >>
> >> Out the door and running late!  What were we talking about?  Did Grant
> get
> >> surprised at Shiloh in 62' and should he have thrown his forces into
> the
> >> "Hornets Nest" during the afternoon?  Oh, we're talking now?  OK, what
> is
> >> the Messiah's vision for Iraq in 2010?  Inquiring minds want to know.
> >> Don't
> >> give me hope, I got that.  Change?  No shit, Sherlock!  Things damn
> sure
> >> change.  Give me the plan! Any plan will do as long as it doesn't use
> the
> >> word "hope" or "change" without defining what the meaning of change
> "is".
> >>
> >> Brad
> >>
> >> On Feb 12, 2008 1:45 PM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Feb 12, 2008 1:00 PM, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> The question as to whether or not the Bush administration was a
> >>>> "catastrophe" is definitely open to debate. The person writing is
> >>>> expressing an opinion, not fact.
> >>>>
> >>> So you're saying this has NOT been a catastrphe?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> The question of wether or not the Iraq war was a "tragedy" that was
> >>>> caused by the Bush administration is open to debate, again expressing
> >>>>
> >> an
> >>
> >>>> opinion, not fact. (The FACT is that the war was authorized by
> >>>>
> >> congress,
> >>
> >>>> and the result of many violations of a cease-fire agreement, and
> >>>> agreement that was structured during the previous Bush
> >>>>
> >> admninistration,
> >>
> >>>> and violated numerous times during the Clinton administration, but
> >>>>
> >> hey,
> >>
> >>>> let's not let facts get in the way of a good Bush-bashing).
> >>>>
> >>> So you're saying the war in Iraq is NOT a tragedy ?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> The "shame" of Guantanamo is that so many leftists have made it out
> to
> >>>> be something worse than it its.
> >>>>
> >>> So you're saying the situation in Guantanamo is OK?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> The "shame" of Abu Gharib was NOT the result of "the Bush
> >>>> administration", that's hyperbole.
> >>>>
> >>> Wasn't Donald Rumsfeld part of the Bush administration?  What ever
> >>> happened
> >>> to "the buck stops here?"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Slim
> >>>>
> >>>>
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