[Rhodes22-list] Noise - Suck It Up!

[john Belanger]

i'll try!!

Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:  John,

The old Pratt & Whitney 737 engines (same as my old 727) were quite loud.
The later fan models are quieter. The 737 isn't the problem. The engines
are. Noisy engines equal high fuel burn. $100 per barrel oil will solve
the problem. $200 per barrel oil will solve it quicker!

Have faith.

Brad

On Jan 10, 2008 6:28 PM, john Belanger wrote:

> brad
> i am so happy that at long last i can make a knowledgeable constructive
> comment. i have a solution for the noise. i know from whence i speak. i live
> directly up wind of dfw in texas. there is really only one horrendously loud
> plane.....737. i know its a workhorse and very reliable, but its without
> doubt, the noisiest aircraft in the world. eliminate it and half your noise
> complaints go away.period.
>
> Brad Haslett wrote:
> I love the smell of Jet-A first thing in the morning. Here's a clue
> folks,
> in most cases the airport was there long before you were. I've spent many
> days and nights, and nights and days in EWR and PHL airport neighborhoods.
> You folks ain't exactly living in country club territory. Without the
> airport nearby you in fact would be "in da hood" Eat it! Brad
>
> -------------------------------
>
> Plan to reroute jets may mean more noise
>
> By DAVID B. CARUSO, Associated Press Writer* 47 minutes ago*
>
> For years, jets taking off from Newark Liberty International Airport have
> performed an act of mercy as they roar south.
>
> Moments after leaving the ground, the planes bank left, out over an
> industrial port district, and away from the residential streets of
> Elizabeth, N.J., the working-class city that sits right up against the
> busy
> airport.
>
> Maneuvers like this are a common method of sparing citizens from the
> window-rattling noise of jets passing overhead.
>
> But now such practices are being dropped in some places in the Northeast
> as
> part of a federal plan to ease record flight delays. And some
> neighborhoods
> that fear they will be subjected to more noise are fighting back in court.
>
> On Dec. 19, the Federal Aviation Administration began its first overhaul
> in
> decades of the jet routes that crisscross the country's most congested
> airspace — a 31,000-square-mile area around New York and Philadelphia.
>
> The corridor has been criticized for years as one of the worst problem
> spots
> in the nation's beleaguered air traffic system. Most the paths were laid
> out
> in the 1960s. Some date from the earliest days of air travel, and airlines
> have been complaining for years that they are horribly outdated.
>
> Over the next five years, the FAA will be rolling out new routes it
> believes
> can cut flight delays by as much as 20 percent. Some aviation experts say
> improvements are essential; nearly three quarters of all flight delays
> nationally are caused by backups in New York and Philadelphia.
>
> But a closer look at the revamped flight routes shows that the changes
> will
> lead to more noise for tens of thousands of people, many of whom are
> already
> subject to the whine of jet engines because of their proximity to
> airports.
>
> In Elizabeth, N.J., the changes will mean that some planes will fly
> straight
> over the center of the city.
>
> "The FAA plan will do more harm to the city of Elizabeth than any
> terrorist
> incident," said Mayor Chris Bollwage.
>
> "We live next to the airport, so we have to take some noise," he said. But
> the FAA plan, he added, stretches fairness. "There are places in town
> where
> you can touch the tires."
>
> At least 12 lawsuits have been filed so far in an attempt to stop the
> plan.
> Congress ordered the Government Accountability Office to examine the FAA's
> method for choosing the new routes. Top lawmakers from several states have
> demanded changes. Sen. Robert Menendez, D-N.J., threatened to block Senate
> confirmation of acting FAA administrator Robert Sturgell if the agency
> doesn't halt implementation.
>
> So far, the complaints haven't stopped the FAA. Last month, the agency
> began
> phasing in new traffic patterns at the Newark and Philadelphia airports
> that
> allow departing planes to fan out in several directions as they climb,
> rather than stick to a single path.
>
> In theory, the change will allow more takeoffs per hour, but outside
> Philadelphia it will also mean more planes over a cluster of suburbs in
> Delaware County, just west of the airport.
>
> Since the first of the changes went into effect in Philadelphia on Dec.
> 19,
> the airport said it has been getting three complaints a day about noise,
> compared with about one every two days in the previous three months.
>
> FAA officials say the airspace redesign will actually lead to a reduction
> in
> noise for a majority of people, largely because the changes will allow
> planes to fly at higher altitudes.
>
> But sound-modeling data released by the agency reveals that the gains and
> losses will not be spread evenly. Loud neighborhoods will, on average, be
> getting louder, while the biggest improvements will be in places that
> aren't
> that noisy to begin with.
>
> According to the FAA, an additional 30,600 people will find themselves
> living in neighborhoods where the average daily aircraft noise level is 60
> to 65 decibels — considered the high edge of tolerable for a residential
> area.
>
> Noise at that level is far from earsplitting; experts say it is less than
> residents might experience if they lived next to a busy road. But it is
> loud
> enough that people have to raise their voices as a plane passes overhead.
>
> The number of people living in areas where the average decibel level is
> between 55 and 60 will rise by 79,813.
>
> The big losers will be a few communities near Newark and Philadelphia that
> already hear a good deal of airplane traffic because of their proximity to
> the airports. There will also be a slight to moderate increase in noise in
> parts of Morris and Sussex counties in northern New Jersey.
>
> The big winners are people who live a little farther away, and now hear a
> medium amount of noise.
>
> By 2011, the FAA estimates that there will be nearly 728,650 fewer people
> living in areas where the daily noise level is between 45 and 55 decibels
> —
> louder than a refrigerator hum, but quieter than two people talking in a
> room.
>
> Many of those people are in a corridor running southwest from New
> Brunswick,
> N.J. There will also be noise benefits in pockets of densely populated
> Essex
> County, N.J., which includes Newark, and parts of northeastern
> Pennsylvania.
>
>
> The opposition is not just coming from areas likely to see big changes.
>
> Fourteen municipalities in western Connecticut have been trying to get the
> plan blocked, largely because it will shift an arrival path for New York's
> LaGuardia Airport eastward, creating what the FAA says will be slightly
> more
> noise for some towns in Connecticut.
>
> "It's a quality-of-life issue," said Rudy Marconi, a spokesman for the
> Alliance for Sensible Airspace Planning and a selectman in Ridgefield,
> Conn., 40 miles northeast of LaGuardia. "Will I get used to it? Probably.
> But should I have to get used to it?"
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